Groundbreaking new research has linked sodium fluoride to cardiovascular disease, the leading cause of death worldwide. Researchers found that fluoride consumption directly stimulates the hardening of your arteries, a condition known as atherosclerosis that is highly correlated with the #1 killer. Sodium fluoride is currently added to the water supply of many cities worldwide, despite extreme opposition from health professionals and previous studies linking it to decreased IQ and infertility.
In their research, scientists examined the relationship between fluoride intake and the hardening (calcification) of the arteries. Studying more than 60 patients, the researchers found a significant correlation between fluoride consumption and the calcification of your arteries. Published in the January edition of the journal Nuclear Medicine Communications, the research highlights the fact that mass fluoride exposure may be to blame for the cardiovascular disease epidemic that takes more lives each year than cancer. In 2008, cardiovascular killed 17 million people.
According to the authors of the study:
“The coronary fluoride uptake value in patients with cardiovascular events was significantly higher than in patients without cardiovascular events.”
Amazingly, this is not the first report to come out on the dangers of water fluoridation, however the United States government along with other nations have allowed for the continued fluoridation of the public water supply despite these key findings. In fact, the U.S. government has even gone on record stating that a reduction in water fluoridation needs to occur following the results of a massive study that found water fluoridation affected cognitive function to the point of lowering the IQ of children. It turns out that the announcement was little more than a public relations stunt to curtail the massive wave of activism that followed the findings.
Government Admits Dangers Yet Continues to Pump Fluoride Into Your Water Supply
Over 24 other studies have unanimously concluded that fluoride negatively impacts cognitive function. In addition to these 24 studies focusing on cognition, over 100 animal studies have linked fluoride to an increase in male infertility, diabetes, and a whole host of other health problems. In the latest study on cognition, it was found that that 28% of the children who lived in an area where fluoride levels were low achieved the highest test scores. This means that the children exposed to less fluoride scored normal or advanced, while only 8% of fluoridated children did the same.
In fact, the safety precautions regarding sodium fluoride are quite telling themselves:
Risk and Safety Phrases.
- R25 – Toxic if swallowed.
- R32 – Contact with acid liberates very toxic gas.
- R36/38 – Irritating to skin and eyes.
- S1/2 – Keep locked up and out of reach of children.
- S22 – Do not breathe dust.
- S36 – Wear suitable protective clothing.
- S45 – In case of accident or if you feel unwell, seek medical advice immediately (show the label whenever possible.)
But what about cavity prevention?
Since 1962 the government has recommended fluoride levels between 0.7 and 1.2 milligrams per liter in the nations drinking water. Toted as an excellent cavity blocker, fluoride has been praised for its alleged power to prevent tooth decay and boost oral health. Research has now revealed that fluoride, the very substance that is supposed to prevent tooth decay, actually does nothing to prevent against cavities. In fact, vitamin D has been found to be significantly more effective in cavity prevention without the extreme side effects. Instead of damaging your body, vitamin D slashes your risk of just about everything fluoride consumption causes.
According to the latest numbers, over 72 percent of Americans drink water treated with fluoride. Is it any wonder that cardiovascular disease rates are off the charts? Perhaps most concerning is the fact that fluoride does not even prevent cavities, which is the very reason legislators have pushed to keep it in the public water supply despite the links to deadly disease. Even if fluoride was found to prevent cavities, would it be worth the adverse effects?
Fluoride should be completely removed from the international water supply as it is a threat to public health. Until the proper legislation is passed, acquiring a high-quality water filter that removes fluoride is vital for the health perseverance of you and your family.
The nazi's put fluoride in the water supply to make the people docile.
Governments now want to put lithium in the water supply to curb suicide rates.
What a joke!
Clearly these metals are no good for our bodies no matter how large or small the doses.
They even put lithium in bottled war and they don’t have to label it
Lithium is naturally occurring, and it's in a lot of mineral water. Maybe they're not "putting it in." Maybe it's just there.
There are a lot of things that are "naturally occurring" that are bad for us
Where do you think those leftover Nazi scientists went after WWII?? Here's a hint operation paperclip or plum island or the in your face obvious NASA. To be more precise they are Zio-Nazis, and they are everywhere from your congress and supreme court to your banks and all major corporations and unfortunately they LOVE war and death as they serve SATAN. So of course this toxic compound from the fertilizer industry isn't beneficial to ones health.
P.S there's a S-Load of the stuff in yer BEER
Well folks we have one beer maker downunder that does not have fluoride in their products. The name is Coopers but I don't know if you can buy it in the USA
I’m feeling healthy, clear-minded and well today. Guess I havent been drinking enough of the fluoride in my water. I was wondering why I havent been getting constant headaches and getting more irratable. Mr. Government man in the white jacket, please precribe me some sodium fluoride along with a dash of mercury so I won’t get sick!
We should be filtering our drinking water with zeolite. There is zeolite on every continent. There is no reason that any water supply on this planet should be polluted.
It seems to me like our government has become the largest group of mass murderers. Let's not only convict average ppl who commit crimes but the government as well, shouldn't they be held accountable for the crimes rhey commit against people as well?
Thank You. At least the fluoride hasn't worked on everyone yet!
They are killing us people!
WAKE UP!
Known "Poisions" in our food, water, medicine & air.
We are being exterminated like insects.
Think about that next time you pay your taxes or cast a vote for one of these @#$%'s.
Ron Paul is the only candidate not controlled by the banks and/or drug companies. If he gets the nod, he has my vote for sure. Obummer is rearranging the deck chairs while the country is sinking like the Titanic.
Yes NEO, they are doing it deliberately.
They know it is harmful.
They ought to be locked up & be put to justice!!
Enough is enough!
Unfortunately those with the most money are hard to prosecute here.
No vote from me next time….
Wow. I knew of the spurious IQ related issues… but at last testing, my IQ was fine.
This, however, is beyond the pale.
Drinking only bottled water from now on. -_-
Bottled water will not help you my friend.
There are no regulations! No Oversight whatsoever!
WAKE UP & Smell the Poison…
The only problem with that is that they put it in the bottled water too… :/
Our local bottled "spring" water was found to contain higher aluminium levels than even tap water! I'm in the process of buying a reverse osmosis water filter…. Expensive but so VERY worth it.
Hey Natural Society,
Fluoride is found "naturally" in spring and ground water. Are you also forgetting that the government also removes fluoride out of rural areas where the fluoride levels are too high? Stating that fluoride does "nothing" to prevent cavities is a bold statement without backing it up by some DOCUMENTED research. Let's remember, anything in excess is toxic and can kill you. Even PURE water.
Hey, the naturally occuring fluorude is CALCIUM fluoirde NOT SODIUM fluoirde, the calcium molecule in nature cancels out the toxic effect of the fluoride UNLIKE the artificial man made version. You're clutching at straws mate with your pro sodium fluoirde argument.
I'm not pro sodium fluoride, I'm saying the government is also trying to prevent communities from fluorosis. They have done a lot of good as well.
They do alot of good?
Wake Up & smell the Chem-trails man.
There killing us!
Haha fluorosis. It does a lot worse than that!
No one has mentioned that the government is removing high levels of fluoride in rural areas, that is all. Wanted to point that out.
I live in an area,which isn't even rural, with high levels of (calcium) fluoride and the government hasn't done anything here to remove the fluoride from the drinking water.
I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just saying there are definitely areas where they don't care.
Instead, what they do is send out a letter to all parents who've recently had kids saying not to let them drink the water here until they're something, like, three years old.
When I first moved here, after about two years, I started getting mild fluorosis. Bought a Berkey with the special filter that gets out fluoride, and everything's back to normal now. 🙂
You can't "get" fluorosis once your teeth are already formed and erupted into your mouth. It only happens when your teeth are developing, far before they even pop through your gums. And if your teeth develop with fluorosis, you can not get rid of it. Your teeth don't go back to normal it is permanent. Usually, water treatment is coded by municipal governments. You should contact yours.
Rubbish
Both are powerful neurotoxins and any rancher cursed with fluoride knows it makes teeth brittle.
Fluorides claim to fame is it is acid resistant but mechanically it is a disaster.
drknow (it all?) also doesnt know what he is talking about
untrue
It is found in some locations but so is arsenic.
Your argument is specious.As for gvt removing fluoride they dont. When I signed up for water in
Umatilla I got a sheet from EPA saying children and pregnant women should not drink the water.
you dont know what you are talking about.
My municipal government removes fluoride from our water.
Same with ours
So your argument is that fluoride isn't found in water, but you are also telling me your community has fluoride in the water and the government won't remove it. Ha. Well which is it?
You'd be wise to not dismiss someone's argument before considering it. Anon makes a fair point
Alot of paid trolls on here….
Hey alright keep that disinfo machine runnin!!!
WORK FOR THE DEVIL AND YOU WILL RECEIVE YOUR JUST REWARD>
You think we believe our govt. cares about our teeth?
When they steal our homes, healthcare, retirements and our children's future….. And run our country into hell… ???
The time will come when the ppl wake up and see through these murderous lies…
HITLER was the first person to introduce fluoride to public water supply. They continue his work.
EUGENICS….. anyone remember the story?
IT CONTINUES…
Paid trolls?? How about the welfare trolls who don't take care of their teeth and Medicaid pays over and over and over for dentists to fix them until finally they get free dentures thanks to your tax money. It's like throwing tax payer money down the drain, but no one seems to have a problem with that. Fluoride remineralizes adult enamel when applied topically that is a fact. Ask people who actually have to pay for their dental work and know about oral health, they will tell you fluoride has a place.
Hey man, I'm with you. No love for the skeptics nowadays. Nothing wrong with pointing out holes in an argument. My city removes our fluoride as well. People also seem to forget that just because it's natural doesn't make it good. Arsenic is natural too.
You NEVER EVER medicate under any circumstance unless you can control the dosage. Adding medication to the water supply does not allow for dosage control. That should clue you in on something. IF, and I repeat IF adding sodium fluoride was good for you teeth, the sheer fact that you cannot regulate dosage PROVES that the purpose is not for positive medical reasons. That is just a B.S. cover story. The government is poisoning you and you need to wake up and smell the coffee before they kill you.
would you care to name names and who they are paid by…oh and some actual evidence would be nice…
Hitler? You have poor resources. ((Shakes head)) Talk about being mislead.
Sodium fluoride is extremely toxic. END OF STORY.
I'm not trying to persuade you that it's not, just to be less accepting/more critical of any news article that goes against the grain. There is NOT enough science behind this study to back it up. Plain and simple. The doctors referenced in this "study" are all homeopathic and not ACTUAL DOCTORS.
Adding a toxic substance to the water supply does not need any more science to determine if it is a good idea or not… DOES IT? Stop being so gullible and trusting of authority. Use your own common sense.
Ha ha ha……Im glad you pointed out her stupidity!!!
Just because they have studied the Books ( manuals) that the elites want to learn, that makes Doctors God??
You are an idiot….
Just because they have studied the Books ( manuals) that the elites want the doctors to learn from, and by doing so that makes Doctors God??
You are an idiot….
THANK YOU.
I would just like to point out that water in it's purest form (no bacteria, additives, impurities, etc.) will actually break down your red blood cells (i believe this is called lysis…? can't remember), effectively causing dehydration. That's why when you need an I.V. they don't pump you full of PURE water. Any corrections..? Feel free to add them. The more you know!
All I know is I quit getting cavities 7 years ago when I quit using fluoride.
Natural fluoride in springs is completely different than the synthetic by product of aluminum fluoride.
The study doesn't like fluoride with cardiovascular disease. It says that we might be able to detect cardiovascular disease using a PET scan by pumping some fluoride into the person and seeing where it gets sucked into the calcium deposits.
EXACTLY!
Hello..please read the article.. it DOES not say that flouride causes calcification….Positron Emission Tomography using an isotope of flouride that is a positron emiter, has shown promise for EARLY detection of artery calcification, which is usually detected too late.. The calcification has NOTHING to do with the diagnostic test…
"Significant correlation between fluoride uptake and calcification was observed in most of the arterial walls, except in those of the abdominal aorta."
correlation doesn't equal causation.
Except when it does.
So when will they be putting SPG-15 in our water to drink?
OOPS I mean SPF -15 as in sunscreen.
The study is pretty clear:
“The coronary fluoride uptake value in patients with cardiovascular events was significantly higher than in patients without cardiovascular events.”
Fluoride DOES cause cardiovascular disease. It's been identified in the past too.
No, it simply correlates fluoride uptake capacity with cardiovascular disease, i.e. "Patients who uptake fluoride may be in the early stages of cardiovascular disease." Correlation does not equal causation.
Actually, correlation can equal causation it just doesn't necessarily equal it. The main point is that fluoride is unneeded as a water additive.
The article doesn't at all address the necessity of fluoride as a water additive. It's not considered in the slightest. What the paper is saying is that their is a correlation between calcification and fluoride uptake in arteries, and consequently fluoride-based PET may be useful as an early diagnostic test for atherosclerosis.
Or, if you want to say correlation equals causation, calcification of the arteries causes them to take up more fluoride, NOT the other way around.
For Further (in depth) Information on The Dangers of (Sodium) Fluoride, Please Visit The Following Link: http://www.casescorner.com/id12.html
You people that are pro fluoride are getting mixed up. Yes, there is a naturally occurring fluoride; however, what they put into the water is not. It's called Hexafluorosilicic acid.
Hexafluorosilicic acid is the inorganic compound with the formula H2SiF6. It is a product of the production of hydrogen fluoride and the production of phosphate fertilizers. The majority of the hexafluorosilicic acid is used for the production of aluminium metal. Hexafluorosilicic acid is also commonly used for water fluoridation.
Hexafluorosilicic acid is also commonly used for water fluoridation in several countries including the United States, Great Britain, and Ireland. In the U.S., about 40,000 tons of fluorosilic acid is recovered from phosphoric acid plants, and then used primarily in water fluoridation, sometimes after being processed into sodium silicofluoride.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexafluorosilicic_ac…
If you notice from my above post, Hexafluorosilicic acid is used to make aluminum, in addition to being added to drinking water. Do you see why Alzheimer's disease and dementia has been on the rise for a long time? A number of research findings have suggested a possible link between aluminium and Alzheimer's disease. These findings include: the presence of aluminium deposits in tangles and plaques in the brains of people with Alzheimer's disease; and increased rates of dementia in people with kidney failure whose bodies have raised levels of aluminium. However, a large study of the brains of people who had died from Alzheimer's disease found only normal levels of aluminium.
Some studies have suggested that people living in areas with high concentrations of aluminium in the water supply may be more likely to develop Alzheimer's disease. However, this evidence is inconclusive. Exposure to aluminium from other sources, such as from drinking tea, using antiperspirants and taking antacids, has not been shown to be linked to the development of Alzheimer's disease. Source:
http://alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/faqs.php?ca…
Great job on this & THANK YOU NATURALSOCIETY!!!!!!
This is one of the dumbest websites. Please, people, PLEASE talk to your doctors before you take any of this information to heart. Anything is harmful in large doses. Stop being sheep. You think you're all being so counter culture and safe but you're not. You're just being ignorant.
Gov shill shillllllllllllllllllllll!
People are no longer fooled, like they used to be.
Truth is out, the ruling madmen will no be able to prevent it, no matter how hard they try.
And that includes you too, whoever you are, ya troll/shill!
the dose when measured in its enitrity is large, considering skin intake from washing, drinking and toothpastes.
you will probably find talking to your doctors about this will get you no where, they are simply ill informed and not interested in discussion.
remember doctors practice, theres a reason they call it that.
Genius! All those stupid doctors don't even use wikipedia to further their knowledge. Always reading those scientific, researched findings… Haven't they heard of this ultra-reliable source?
Please talk to your DOCTORS???? And you think they know anything about this because WHY???? Doctors know little to nothing about Nutrition, Toxicology, and so many other subjects. They are Mind Controlled Twits with a few notable exceptions.
Many doctors and scientists are just 'text book repeaters' spreading each others mantras.
Remember this one:
"More Doctors smoke Camels than any other Brand"
Doctors are too busy or too scared to do their own serious research.
You don't need to be a qualified mechanic to change a tyre or a set of spark plugs. It's not rocket science.
Oh and a doctor I spoke to admitted that when she went to med school in the 80's they did 4 hours of study on human nutrition and it was an elective. Half of her class went to the pub and the other half stayed behind to see what it was all about. I mean, imagine food having anything to do with health and disease prevention?
@Actual truthseeker, that's right, talk to your doctor who is controlled by the AMA and the insurance companies, who can't say or prescribe helpful medication for fear of losing his license. The ignorant ones, like you, believe whatever you are told to believe. Doctors are not God, to blindly trust what they or the government says is sheer stupidity.
Yes, I 2nd that, NaturalSociety has done a great job!!!!!!!
Of course, when these kind of things are being exposed, trolls & shills will likely infiltrate places like these.
It's no coincidence. They know what they are doing, the crooks. When they do, it's just best to ignore them. Ah yes, and they do love us to be just dump, uniformed sheep , who can't critically think & reason for themselves!!
GREAT EXPLANATION!!!!!
There is a reason Flouride is NOT ALLOWED in water in Europe…..IT's A POISON!
Why is the US so Dumb?
Errr, Flouride is in European water 😉
ummm…..I live in germany and Fluoride is definitely NOT in the drinking water. In fact it is banned! Do some research….better yet experience life and not words in a book or on the internet!!
It is certainly not in the drinking water in Germany. However they have added it to the salt there, since the 90's, to ensure it helps to calcify the pineal gland, or the third eye.
Same down under in Oz too…
the pollies think we are stupid….
All countries which fluoridate their are doing so because they ARE dumb – fluoride dulls IQ 😛
I am 60 years old and am very careful about what water I drink. My reverse osmosis filter does a very good job of removing the undesirable stuff in my drinking water. I seldom get sick and am still able to do almost anything I want to do albeit at a slower pace. Now I don't use fluoride toothpaste either. I haven't had a cavity in 35 years so I must be doing something right. If you want to drink fluoridated water then go ahead, but don't try to push that poison off on me. Fluoride was used in the concentration camps of WW 2 because it was discovered that fluoride made the inmates docile and passive. Docile and passive is how I would describe most Americans today. Is there a connection? And why aren't people given a choice in the fluoridation of their drinking water? I have no doubt there is more to this than meets the eye.
The info you have on fluoride being used in concentration camps is bogus. PLEASE check your resources – all the way to the end. Fluoride DOES help prevent cavities, and there are a LOT of SCIENTIFIC studies to support this fact. Dental caries causes not only pain and risk of further healthcare issues, but also loss of productivity (think class room time, not "work time"). There ARE other things that help prevent caries (cavities) but few of them are so easily attainable as public water systems with fluoridation. There is NO SUBSTITUTE for good home care, yet many do not have access to the things required for this, nor the education to implement them.
Oh my God, you are whats wrong with the world. At least you seem to be minority now. Blind fool! Why do you think many do not have access to `good homecare`? Its being kept from them by the rich, to keep the likes of you afraid to end up like the many needy. So you pay your taxes and drink your flouride you clown
I will use reverse osmosis water filtration & take XYLITOL treatment for my dental caries protection over fluoride ANY DAY. Shall we drink to it? Bottoms up my dear! Drink deeply….
The study you link to does NOT have anything to do with INTAKE of fluoride or it CAUSING hardening of the arteries. It is a study of the UPTAKE of fluoride as part of a diagnostic test: when the fluoride is used as part of a PET scan, it goes to and highlights EXISTING arteriosclerosis. Their conclusion "sodium [¹⁸F]fluoride PET/CT might be useful in the evaluation of the atherosclerotic process in major arteries, including coronary arteries. An increased fluoride uptake in coronary arteries may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk." means that the fluoride uptake when it is given IV with the PET scan is a diagnostic tool, it marks an existing problem and therefore serves as a warning that the person being studied may be at risk for a heart attack.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/there-associa…
And if fluoride has such an affinity to the calcium already deposited, that will increase the rate of artery occlusion as the fluoride/calcium compound decreases the lumen. Thus, consuming fluoride, even in drinking water, can bind with – and add to – the calcified atherosclerotic plaques within the blood vessels…. Incresing cardiovascular disease morbidity & mortality rate. Avoid fluoride.
Lumen size. Increasing CVD morbidity & mortality.
And then there are some people, like my autistic son, who are hyper-sensitive to fluoridation chemicals (I'm talking about artificial Sodium fluoride, not the naturally occurring Calcium fluoride). My son is so sensitive that he gets a headache within minutes of a fluoridated shower (but not a chlorinated-only shower).
I recently spoke with two people who have studied fluoride extensively (a professor of chemistry and a dentist) who helped me to understand the vast difference between sodium fluoride and calcium fluoride.
The natural Calcium fluoride has a very low soluability level (meaning, it doesn't mix with water) and it creates a hard substance that passes through the body without being absorbed. The artificial Sodium fluoride, is highly soluable (about 3,000 times more soluable) and is therefore "perfect" for water fluoridation programs, but it is also highly absorbable in the body, which is one reason why it is 85 times more toxic than calcium fluoride.
The EPA governs only naturally occurring Calcium fluoride. The EPA cannot regulate the artificial Sodium fluoride that is added in fluoridation, but the FDA doesn't regulate it either. In fact, no one does—the drug Sodium fluoride, intended to treat dental caries, has not been approved for safety and efficacy by the FDA or ANY legally authorized entity. All of the studies supposedly showing a benefit to teeth were done on the much less toxic Calcium fluoride, but that doesn't stop the fluoride proponents from talking about those studies to justify fluoridation. That's like claiming Abilify helps headaches when the research to support it was done using Tylenol. Two entirely different drugs!
But what concerns me the most is that there are highly sensitive populations—with children and adults with autism right in the middle of this mess—who are being exposed to frighteningly high amounts of fluoride from many different sources. Like acetaminophen, I believe there is a buildup of fluoride intolerance, and having fluoride added to water makes it extremely difficult to avoid.
Babies are not supposed to have fluoridated water at all, but parents haven't been informed. Meanwhile, 41% of teens have dental fluorosis…and if you have dental fluorosis, you will have skeletal fluorosis in time.
The studies of reduced IQ hit me particularly hard because if fluoride at 1ppm reduce IQ by up to 8 points (as the studies suggest), it stands to reason that those with the least ability to detoxify (most autistics have low glutathione and low PST detoxing enzymes) will be the babies who would be the most harmed. My son needed every single IQ point just to survive in this world, but instead he relys on me to do most daily care tasks, like brushing his teeth…with fluoride-free toothpaste of course.
You can bet that I am very angry about fluoridation of public water! My son can't drink a single glass of Seattle water and suffers regularly from hidden fluoride in untold number of food products. How can anyone support this insanity? If you want to consume fluoride, eat some toothpaste—at least it will be pharmaceutical grade calcium fluoride and immeasurably less toxic than the toxic soup they add to public water!
Fluoride is a goitrogen. It interferes with iodine uptake by the thyroid. Bromine too does the same and is found in flour. It is very important to take supplemental iodine to clean out the bad halides, bromine, fluorine, and chlorine while keeping the good halide, iodine, which is an essential nutrient. Everyone adult should be taking iodine as a supplement, 25mg. Kids, depending on weight, should be taking 6 to 12mg. Low iodine is causing many different diseases and fluoride in the water is a leading cause resulting in lethargy, low IQ, cold limbs, brain fog, cysts in the breast and uterus, prostate inflammation, etc.. Bromine is about as bad as fluorine. 90% of Americans are seriously low to moderately low in iodine. See: http://breastcancerchoices.org/iodineinvestigatio… and http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I…
"It is very important to take supplemental iodine" – while everyone moves to Kosher salt, not iodized – gee… and all the medical problems start to appear.
The control systems have to be removed, plus all that they have put in place to block you from ever gaining full consciousness and knowing who you are – powerful Beings of Light. This is the reason that fluoride is put in your water supply and your toothpaste, plus many more things that you are not yet aware of. All this, to keep you in the slave mode. I wish that I could show you all that is being done but I can only tell you. I may be able to do more in the Spring.
http://www.galacticchannelings.com/english/montag…
Calcium flouride is "naturally occurring". Sodium flouride is INDUSTRIAL WASTE PRODUCT taxpayers are forced to pay for to have put in their drinking water. It is a slow-effect poisonous substance on the toxicity level of lead and arsenic. It has no effect whatsoever on teeth. That's just their phony excuse to poison the masses, most of whom never seek out the truth for themselves, but listen to the Rothschild owned and controlled new media who tells them what and how to think.
The flouride anion is the same regardlesss of what cation it is paired with. You don't know what you are talking about.
"Brandon says:
January 18, 2012 at 7:14 am
The flouride anion is the same regardless of what cation it is paired with. You don’t know what you are talking about."
…. When reading comments like Brandon's above, one should realize that such people usually don't give adequate information or logic to their claims, drop "scientific terms" like "anion" and "cation", depend upon emotional attacks to try to disarm opponents arguments, and are people I and those like us avoid because we find them dis-informing, dis-logical, tape recording-like in repeating things they (and their herd) read and hear. I feel sorry for their relatives, acquaintances, employees (or employers), and others that are stuck with being around them.
Brandon, you might be much happier, healthier, and satisfied if you practice treating others as you would like to be treated (Unless you like being abused!).
"Dis-informing, dis-logical?"
Your credibility is at stake here, Bubba….
Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. It is one of the most poisonous substances on Earth. The chemical used (Hexafluorosilicic acid) is an industrial waste toxic chemical. It cures nothing and heals nothing and has never been tested or approved by FDA (in the USA) as safe and effective for human ingestion.
Read the truth produced in the best scientific information on fluoridation here: (www.fluoridealert.org). You will see a petition signed by almost 4000 professionals, including hundreds of dentists, hundreds of doctors, and other medical researchers calling on governments everywhere to stop fluoridation.
There are many large scientific studies there to show that drinking fluoridated water has no positive effect on cavity reduction and to show that it causes cancer, thyroid damage, broken hips from brittle bones, lowered IQ and other health problems.
Jwillie speaks the truth here.
Many proponents of fluoridation claim that fluoride is an essential nutrient necessary for the health of children's teeth. That sounds nice at first but what they don't tell you is that mother's milk actually contains 200 times less fluoride than fluoridated water (Levy 1999).
If fluoride is an essential nutrient for children's teeth, evolutionary processes would have already established mechanisms to insure its delivery to infants.
Obviously mother nature is trying to prevent fluoride exposure in human infants. I suggest we do the same.
That is a very interesting idea – judging health do's and don't against what the body already tells is – particularly mother/child bodily relationship. Props to you.
What most people don't understand is that the combination of natural fluoride found in food products like black tea and artificial fluoride found in our water supplies means that most people ingest 5+ parts per million of fluoride per day.
The growing body of litterateur that supports this finding is astonishing. One peer review study that comes to mind was from Valdez-Jimenez, et al. who published an article in the Neurologia Journal (June 2011). They found that the prolonged ingestion of fluoride may cause significant damage to health and particularly to the nervous system. They also concluded that fluoride can be toxic by ingesting one part per million (ppm), and the effects are not immediate, as they can take 20 years or more to become evident.
In most countries, the amount of fluoride added to drinking water is around 4 parts per million.
Those of us who are exposed to fluoridated drinking water probably get around 5+ parts per million of fluoride everyday!!!
Sorry andrew, Valdez-Jimenez's research is all about areas of the world with excessively high levels of NATURAL FLUORIDE, many many times the suggested limits. But if you read is actual paper he clearly concludes that the current recommendation of .7 ppm is safe and beneficial. Just one more example of people not bothering to read the original study and rather jumping to the conclusion that fits their preconceived beliefs.
"5+ parts per million of fluoride everyday!!! " You DO understand what PPM means, right? Even if Fluoride levels where at 500,000 PPM, that can't possibly be related to time. "I consume one-hundred miles-per-hour each week!"
This industrial waste should never have been allowed in our food & water! It was never safe to begin with.
Investigator Christopher Bryson, who wrote & researched "The Fluoride Deception", certainly backs this up!
The following also backs this up, just how beneficial the fluoride poison really is, especially when it is swallowed!! It's as obvious as it can be. And yes, they have known since the beginning, that it was never safe from the very start! Pls see "The Fluoride Deception"
–> http://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Deception-Christop…
There is a well-known law of halogen displacement. The halogen group is made up as follows:
Relative Halogen Atomic Weight
Fluorine 19.
Chlorine 35.5
Bromine 80.
Iodine 127.
The critical activity of any one of these four halogens is in inverse proportion to its atomic weight. This means that any one of the four can displace the element with a higher atomic weight, but cannot displace an element with a lower atomic weight. For example, fluorine can displace chlorine, bromine and iodine because fluorine has a lower atomic weight than the other three. Similarly, chlorine can displace bromine and iodine because they both have a higher atomic weight.
And guess what else – the cardio statin drugs are flouride based as are antidepressants!
Lots of the "flouride" added to water is much more than that – recall it's industrial waste. Some of it is a byproduct of nuclear weapons manufacturing and is actually radioactive as has been found in Houston, along with a major coverup by gov't crooks. Flouride is also a component in some pesticides and is used on grapes, etc.
Lovely!
I am 59 and I have never had a cavity. My last check-up was 12/30/2011. I have been drinking fluoridated water since I was 17. I have always used a fluoride toothpaste with the ADA seal.
I did, however, find out on 12/29/2010 my Vitamin D 25-OH level was 26 ng/mL (insufficient). I currently take 5950 I.U. of supplemental Vitamin D3 each day, and I am outside almost every day as well. My most recent (12/15/2011) level was 52 ng/mL (reference range – 30-100 ng/mL). This is just where I would like it to be.
Most people here are malinformed. Please read the actual study mentioned in this article in the Journal of Nuclear Medicine.
I read a summary of the article – at the link below. It doesn't mention a causal link between fluoride uptake and atherosclerosis
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/article/there-associa…
Quoted in the article
CONCLUSION: sodium [¹⁸F]fluoride PET/CT might be useful in the evaluation of the atherosclerotic process in major arteries, including coronary arteries. An increased fluoride uptake in coronary arteries may be associated with an increased cardiovascular risk
The study suggests using sodium fluoride as a marker to detect atherosclerosis – it doesn't say that fluoride causes it.
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You claim to have drank fluoridated/medicated water since you were 17? Oh really?
Tbh, I haven't meet anyone, in REAL life & face to face, who claimed to have done just that, who is not plagued, or riddled with any health problems!
Of course over the internet, esp. 'faceless', just about anyone can claim just about anything!
Anyway, keep drinking your medicated water, it's your own personal choice to do so.
Ok, I am not by any means nor ever will be as educated and smart as some of you are. So please forgive me for sounding a little back woods because I am. I am not a stupid back wood goffer I am educated I have my masters degree but chemicals and all that stuff mixed together I have not a clue. I found this forum and looked up and little research on this and in fact there are studies out there (if they are based on fact) that is. Our Government as pretty much has proved that fluoride is very harmful to the human body in more ways than one. They know this for a fact but yet refuse to remove it from the human water systems, and passing more laws every day to depand cities and even shall towns to add to the water supply. I mean it might be just me and my off color thinking but sounds like some thing other that good teeth they are wanting to get done. I am sure a lot of it is the IQ thing. The lest smart we are the more BS they can pull over our eyes. Kill off the weak, old,frail and diseased. Stands to reason if you kill off the medicare and medicade people the amount of income the wold could save with out these money draining program. The will be million over millions of money they can line the pockets with. There is a reason it is being left in place and it doesn't have a thing to do with teeth.
It's called Eugenics.
Another benefit to killing off the Medicare recipients is that people over 65 remember too much. A lot of us began life before fluoride was added to our water. We recall occurrences that have since been subjected to revisionist history.
Once we're gone, the book-burning can proceed apace.
You have a Master's Degree and you write like this? It makes my head ache to think that someone can get a master's degree today and not be able to write cogently or correctly. They did you a true disservice by awarding you any kind of degree. The word is "gopher" by the way. Maybe you have consumed too much flouride.
This is intentional murder. Shooting people who do this deserve to be shot. So do we have any Lone Wolves that can do any sniper shooting? Soon all the chaos you'll be able to shoot all the people you want.
My father was a 1960s dentist; I took flouride tablets daily, had flouride treatments every six months, AND drank flouridated water my entire childhood (aged ~2-14), plus, my mom took flouride while she was pregnant with me. While I never had a cavity, I have suffered a host of other problems. I suspect whatever damage was done by the flouride is permanent, SO NOW WHAT??
This study WAS NOT about dental fluoride at all, rather it was about radioactive f-18 fluoride used in PET scans, a very useful diagnostic tool.
Further there was no control group and it only showed correlation which is problematic since people seeking a diagnostic test in the first place will often be at higher risk for disease to begin with.
I am also concerned that this site would publish joe Mastronardi's comments above calling for violence and "shooting" people
Although the mechanics tested were on fluoride uptake into the arterial walls, the researchers themselves said 2 things:
1) A connection between the level of calcification and fluoride uptake.
2) And a conneciton between cardiovascular events and calcium
The information contained herein is as important to mankind as it is Urgent!
One of the two main tools used to keep you in a state of confusion without you knowing it, is the fluoride in your toothpastes and water supplies, and there are also many other chemicals that are added to processed foods to decrease your awareness and prevent your longevity. I implore you all to buy non fluoride dental products and drink only water that you know is fresh.
It is true that Calcium Fluoride is an organically occurring compound and harmless in small doses, but the Sodium Fluoride that is used in dental products and water supplies is a toxic waste, it is a byproduct of aluminum production and it does not prevent tooth decay, it inhibits brain function and promotes docility in the subject. Very Notably, fluoride was first used by the Russians in mind control experiments conducted of prisoners in the Gulags and later by the Nazis in the death camps. It was well noted by both groups that prisoners who drank fluoridated water were much more docile and easier to control than other prisoners. Fluoride compounds are also the active ingredients in most anti depressant drugs such as Prozac, clearly demonstrating its ability to reduce aggression and motivation in people. It has absolutely no biological or health benefits at all, and it does nothing whatsoever to protect teeth. In fact, it causes dental fluorosis, yellowing of the teeth and pitting of the enamel. If you seriously think fluoride actually does have some health benefits the next time you are out shopping I challenge you to pick up a packet of any brand of rat poison you care to name and look at what it contains. Quite often you will find there is only one ingredient. Sodium Fluoride.
And it has also been very well noted that a person under the influence of such a chemical is always completely oblivious to the fact. The ability of fluoride to do this is not some internet myth as many would claim and have you believe. It is the absolute truth. Yet even now, and despite the clear results shown in the latest fluoride studies, as more people begin to awaken and question the situation the world is in, the more governments are seeking to combat this awakening by undertaking the increased fluoridation of their water supplies, touting dental health as the reason, when nothing could be further from the truth.
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Please read the following post on how the author completely misrepresented this study
http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/fl…
Here we likely have one of these entities, who is out there, to spread dis-info, misinform, divide & conquer, promote GMO crap, attack natural & safe remedies etc. to further their own agenda.
Would be interesting who you really are or represent, eh SkepticalVegan? You are likely here to serve your masters, or the powerful corporations.
No amount of money, will in reality safe you kind of people, from your dirty work.
I'm a regular person just like you, that who I am. I'm not paid to blog or write comments nor am I employed in the dental, chemical, biotech, or medical industry. I do it because I have a passion for science and get annoyed at irresponsible fear-mongering and science illiteracy.
But whatever, have fun living in your conspiratorial world where anyone who dare question you must be a lackey of the NWO or the reptilian overlords.
Ah yes, your so-called science.
It's interesting to note, that whenever you kind of people are hell bend on ensuring the masses get medicated, you don't even have the guts to included your real name. I wonder why that is.
If REAL science was supposedly on your side (which can of course be independently verified, proved & substantiated), there's no reason why one would proudly not include their real name!
Obviously people like you are cowards and that's that!
my real name is associated with my twitter and Facebook account which are associated with my blog. Im not hiding. You could have actually found my name by goggling "SketicalVegan" if you had really been that concerned about who I am.
If you must know my name is Jamie Foley, heck here is my Facebook if you wanna see pictures of me, my girlfriend, vegan cupcakes and all that jazz. http://www.facebook.com/VeganJamie
Using a pen name has nothing to do with being a coward or shill. Many writers and bloggers use them for one reason or another. In my case I use the name to separate my science writing from my personal writing and internet presence so that people will judge the content of the blog on its own merits and evidence rather than being tainted by prejudices about me as a person.
I would also point out that "Observer" is an unusual legal name…is that your birth name or did you legally change it? Or are you just not taking your own advice and criticizing others for things you yourself are guilty of.
There's a BIG difference when someone like yourself is out there, who is trying to promote the mass-medication of the population & try to convert them to drink fluoridated industrial litter garbage!
Everyone has the right to clean, safe & untampered drinking water & food. You obviously don't like this.
"Untampered" does not mean clean and safe. The introduction of water chlorination resulted in major drops in waterbourne disease across the US. But I'm sure your against that too, huh?
http://www.waterandhealth.org/drinkingwater/wp.ht…
I wish Admin would BAN losers like SkepticalVegan tossing their sad attempt to muddy the waters. We are on to your lies so go drink more crazy juice (fluoride) you deserve it.
So I point out that the above article got the interpretation COMPLETELY WRONG and your response is that I should be banned…WTF!?
Try engaging in civil debate and addressing specific points because personal attacks are no way to prove your point.
SkepticalVegan seems like the only person on here who has used critical thinking skills and hasn't jumped on the conspiracy theory wagon. I agree with the person who uses facts and logic to justify his/her argument, not emotion.
White Knighting
"We must eliminate 350,000 people a day"–Jacques Costeau, UNESCO Courier. Milk, sugar, tobacco and wars, all subsidized killers. google any suspected substance with the word hazard. Google stevia with side effects.
The author GOT THE STUDY RIGHT — many of you simply do not seem to understand..
I have gone and outlined the important study highlights proving the direct relationship between fluoride and heart disease:
"Given the assumption that fluoride uptake represents dynamic atherosclerotic calcification, we would expect that fluoride uptake occurs at the stage before the formation of detectable calcium deposition. Consistent with this theory, Derlin et al. 12reported that only 12% of the calcification sites demonstrated prominent overlapping fluoride uptake, whereas 12% of fluoride-positive lesions did not show concordant calcification. In our study, fluoride uptake and CT calcification are significantly correlated in the same arterial territories, except in the abdominal aorta. This is because of the extremely high positive rate (97%, only one patient demonstrated negative uptake) for fluoride uptake in the abdominal aorta. Fluoride uptake either overlaps with calcification or locates adjacent to the detectable calcium deposits, suggesting that fluoride uptake and detectable calcification represent different stages of the atherosclerotic process."
I hope you are not actually a real MD "Dr. Martin", because you reading comprehension of the medical literature is quite poor.
I hope you are not actually a real MD "Dr. Martin", because you reading comprehension of the medical literature is quite poor, that paragraph does not support your assertion at all.
Keep your co-intel garbage out of here, SkepticalVegan — your blog is pro-GMO and is complete GARBAGE.
Heeey Anonymous,
I've included 2 links, which proves & clearly shows the tactics they are using.
Worth being informed about.
So you'll understand & see just how they whitewash & manipulate people!
This one is about GMOs, but you'll see the point.
There's good evidence of a concerted effort to sicken and then treat humanity, while earning obscene profits.
1.☞ http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/20…
2.➱ PERVERTED SCIENCE — THE MANIPULATION OF GM RESEARCH ⇙
⇉ http://www.gmfreecymru.org/pivotal_papers/manipul…
Anyone can make a blanket dismissal, perhaps you would care to address a specific point or piece of evidence instead. My blog comment section is always open.
Thank you Anonymous! The days of the dis-informationalists like SkepticalVegan are just about over.
Many years ago, in the 1930's or so, long-forgotten research had it that fluoride rotted the connection between the gum and the teeth, and calcified the pulp chamber. It might only be one part per million, but it is cumulative. If it makes microscopic holes in the enamel and embrittles the teeth, as some allege, what effect does it have on bones? Apparently the 'fluoride is good for teeth' mantra was manufactured by the American Government to get them off the hook when sued by farmers for the damage caused by fluoride fumes when making the bomb. I can still find occasionally, old agricultural books which hint at widespread F. damage caused by industry.
And the fluoride ion is not always the same, but what company does it keep? Ever heard of synergistic effects? It creates a more powerful version, it takes it in, its more systemic. Most of Europe has banned it or never used it, the science is on our side but Britain wants to increase it, to 100% of the country, why?
It is pretty clear that fluoride does cause heart disease & you can read so for yourself:
http://journals.lww.com/nuclearmedicinecomm/Fullt… (you can view here the text below)
Discussion:
"In our study, fluoride uptake and CT calcification are significantly correlated in the same arterial territories, except in the abdominal aorta. "
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"Fluoride uptake either overlaps with calcification or locates adjacent to the detectable calcium deposits, suggesting that fluoride uptake and detectable calcification represent different stages of the atherosclerotic process."
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"We found that fluoride uptake in coronary arteries is significantly correlated with a patient’s history of cardiovascular events, and the uptake value in patients with cardiovascular events was significantly higher than that in patients without cardiovascular events. These results further support the fact that higher fluoride uptake in coronary arteries indicates increased cardiovascular risk."
Read it again, the whole thing and read the comments. You clearly have poor reading comprehension skills if you dont understand the Objective statement and conclusion which were clearly about using f-18 as a imaging tool for hardened arteries. The paper DOES NOT state that the f-18 causes the hardening however. You people are just gettign confused with the wording and because you haven't read the Objective statement. Go ask someone at your local university with a background in Nuclear Medicine to explain what this paper is about, cause its not about fluoridation or fluoride causing heart disease at all.
Sorry but you obviously have no understanding of basic science. This study focuses SPECIFICALLY on the impact of a particular kind of imaging, namely sodium [¹⁸F]fluoride PET/CT, and the impact that this kind of imaging (where they inject radioactive fluoride into your bloodstream) has on the blood vessels. This study does not address fluoride in drinking water or its impacts, nor do the results of this study have any implications for fluoridization of drinking water. For one thing, injecting fluoride into your blood and injesting it are two different things. For another, the fluoride used in this imaging technique is an isotype (its radioactive) and does not survive for long, so it would not be found in your drinking water. So basically there is no scientific basis for this article, and it should be deleted.
It really just comes down to common sense people, do you think a poisonous chemical should be put into your drinking water or do you trust what our forefathers drank? I myself will choose the more natural way and save your chemical tooth fighting nonsense for a bad horror novel.
Cavities are caused by a hormone imbalance. When your hypothalamus isn't working correctly (by eating bad foods) it doesn't tell the Parotid glands to release their hormone which circulates a mineral-rich dental lymph through the tubules of your teeth. Without this mineral-rich fluid being circulated, the teeth don't get cleaned and remineralized. Don't listen to dentists, or even regular doctors for the most part; they're taught biased medical information. And if the above is true (which it is) then fluoride wouldn't prevent cavities whatsoever. Please read people! Good books to read about this kind of information are by Prof. Andrew Cutler.
actually, this specific info is from the book Cure Tooth Decay by Ramiel Nagel. Awesome read.
And Fluoride interferes with thyroid functioning, and it's classified as a toxic waste…the junk they put in the water….and if you read the back of a fluoridated toothpaste tube, it says if you swallow more than the recommended amount (size of a pea, also the amount of fluoride in 8 oz of fluoridated water) to contact your doctor or POISON control center.
So Gucciardi, are you EVER going to retract or edit this article as it is so obviously wrong? Will you respond to your critics?
What's wrong/incorrect with it? Please be specific…
I already explained in my earlier comments, to see them search for "skepticalvegan" on this page.
The paper was not about water fluoridation or dental fluoride use. It was about radioactive F-18 used in PET scans to detect EXISTING hardened arteries. IT was NOT about the fluoride causing or stimulating hardened arteries.
Ive also written a post specifically about this article on my blog that goes more in depth.
Fluoride IS the active ingredient in d-CON, Look at the box….Fluoride is also the active ingredient in Prozac and several other anti-depressants. Search you-tube for short excerpt – film clip called "Poisoned Horses" Documented case study, Using the documented facts, were able to prove in court, that a municipalities public water, for human consumption, caused diseases, suffering & death to dogs & horses.EXCELLENT. Also cattle, chicken breeders, don't use fluoridated water for them, Why Not ? Research it yourself..
antekate kate, do you know what a red herring is?
Stay on target.
U-tube is not a place to do research. Sorry. You do realize that anyone can make any claim they want and post it there. The scare tactics repeated over and over again eventually lead people to believe that it must be true. That's not how science works. If you are going to post info as research rather than opinion, than you need to site from a legitimate source. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts.
Unfortunately "science" is owned by the same people who would like to keep us all dumbed down, loyal pawns for their agenda of complete self destruction. Taking everyone with them.
sodium flouride has been known for its damaging effects since the 1930s. it was used in the concentration camps in nazi germany. its used as a mind control drug. do your research son. google " hitler fluoride" maybe. wise up, because we are in trouble.
The Nazi/fluoride connection is a myth based on either a book by Christopher Bryson or Ian E. Stephens neither of which offer any real and verifiable evidence. Its a myth based on the rantings of two conspiracy prone writers with no supporting evidence.
Even anti-fluoridationist Paul Connett, a chemist who directs the Fluoride Action Network and co-authored The Case Against Fluoride doesn't believe the myth. He has been quoted saying, "We have done our level best to discourage opponents of fluoridation from using this emotive argument","The historical evidence for this assertion is extremely weak. It is sad that the U.S. media has done such a bad job of educating the public on this issue that it is so easy for crazy ideas to fill the vacuum."
If you have some good evidence then by all means produce it and we can examine it, but telling someone to google something doesn't work as evidence, a bunch of crackpot website are all that comes up.
How about actually researching scientific and medical documents and journals, published and peer reviewed. Many of them would agree that fluoridating the water supply is dangerous to human health, and it IS IS IS toxic. Even the government ON RECORD admits that fluoride is TOXIC. Jeeze Im so sick of the freaking mind rape that everyone is in. OBVIOUSLY dont believe some stupid crack pot source you googled. People need to wake the f up. I have access to hundreds of real research databases through my college; there are hundreds of peer reviewed articles about the dangers of fluoride, especially when combined with aluminum and other things in the water like arsenic. Just like the are hundreds of peer review articles about the serious dna, fetility and nutritional dangers of GMO's
Great site thanks
Fluoride is toxic.
At a high enough dose it is. But so are many other things, salt, alcohol, vitamin D, vitamin A, ect.
Take one ton of each substance you listed and dump it on the ground. Which one will do the most damage to the environment and life? Fluoride will by far my friend. It's so toxic it's actually illegal to dump it in the environment. It's effects are cumulative in the body too.
You are just a troll here, SkepticalVegan!. No good person will ever want to FORCE-feed other people with a substance.
It's an universal rule in life. Good things come voluntarily, bad things come enforced.
calling me a troll does nothing to address the issue of dose response or of the complete inaccuracy of Gucciardi's post.
Im confused and curious, then are you PRO sodium Fluoride in our drinking water? MAybe this article is about f-18 but are you denouncing the many other articles out there that do criticize dental fluoride as all wrong?
Also for the record can you tell us your actual science backround, degrees, employment and such. i checked your blog and some of your links im just curious. thanks
hey skepticalvegan, Im confused and curious, then are you PRO sodium Fluoride in our drinking water? MAybe this article is about f-18 but are you denouncing the many other articles out there that do criticize dental fluoride as all wrong?
Also for the record can you tell us your actual science backround, degrees, employment and such. i checked your blog and some of your links im just curious. thanks
Although I agree that fluoride compounds are highly toxic, I agree with SkepVeg and others that this paper is not about fluoride causing hardening, but about assessing fluoride uptake in already-hardened arteries, due to the use of the noted diagnostic. This article should be removed.
Totally Agree with PeterT. The study showed that there was an uptake of fluoride where calcification was already under way. This is like saying that measuring the air temperature causes global warming.
There is NO CAUSATION shown between fluoride and atherosclerosis. Period. This article is bunk and Anthony Gucciardi has been HAD.
Anthony Gucciardi has not been "had," you fluoride promoters have been had by those of us doing some homework. After studying laboratory science for over 30 years and studying fluoride for over nine years, I have come to the conclusion that fluoride is being used as the cash-cow driving force for the pharmaceutical industry. Give everyone a little dose of fluoride, and you will have a nation seeking more drugs for relief of symptoms. The first thing fluoride does is block thyroid function. Given in a high enough dose, fluoride will kill the recipient via cardiac arrest due to the fact that fluoride causes an unnatural imbalance of calcium in the body, triggering fatal arrhythmia.
You entirely missing the point of osmrwangs comment which refereed to this specific article. The text of this article has nothing to do with the purpose or conclusions of the original study. It is entirely misrepresented. Dont side step that. Address the issue at hand, that this specific article is completely misleading.
heres a link that supports the harm flouride does:
http://www.fluoridealert.org/statement-august-2007.aspx
and here is a link showing the opposite
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/
You got to be kidding me!! your re-buttle is the CDC's position on flouride? this is the same CDC that moved Anthrax Island from and Island off of montauk N.Y. right to midtown manhattan! Sure i'll trust them any day of the week. Your looking more and more like a webtrolling plant. maybe if you tone down your pretentious, sanctimonious mightier than thou know it all attitude , maybe just maybe people will take you abit more serious. But its understandable vegans are usually pissy cause they're always so hungry… have a hot dog 🙂
Will somebody please tell me just what these substances, loosely called fluoride, our authorities put into our drinking water really do as far as our health is concerned? I haven't found a lot of information to say its good for our health. Perhaps using the human body to filter these toxic substances is in fact the reason for "fluoridation". What a system that allows industry to sell toxic waste to water providers and the public pay for this so called "health benefit". The People of Brisbane were not asked if "fluoride" was wanted, the government just went ahead
Anyone who has read Christopher Bryson's book: "The Fluoride Deception" and still thinks fluoride is great stuff to ingest, is BRAIN DEAD.
May they rest in peace.
Exactly so. Why would rat poison be healthy?
One would think that the proponents of fluoridation would insist on using only a clean pharmaceutical grade fluoride with no contaminants. Actually, the fluoride used is an industrial toxic waste fluoride (Hexafluorosilicic acid, which is waste material flushed directly from industrial smokestacks) which cures nothing and heals nothing and has never been tested or approved by FDA (in the USA) as safe and effective for human ingestion. It contains contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium, radium, and much more. It is no wonder it reduces IQ in children and damages everyones health.
The company CEO would be arrested immediately if they dumped this toxic waste into a river. The only way they can do it legally is to run it through the community water systerm first.
"It is no wonder it reduces IQ in children and damages everyones health."
except the evidence regarding IQ is from excessively high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in groundwater not municipal water sources
http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/fl…
TO SKEPTICALVEGAN…I ask this question again , it was originally asked on 2/10/12
hey skepticalvegan, Im confused and curious, then are you PRO sodium Fluoride in our drinking water? MAybe this article is about f-18 but are you denouncing the many other articles out there that do criticize dental fluoride as all wrong? There are many.
Also for the record can you tell us your actual science backround, degrees, employment and such. i checked your blog and some of your links im just curious. thanks
yes, I'm a in favor of levels of fluoridation to 0.7 ppm.
As far as the other questions, they are actually irrelevant to the argument. Stop shill baiting or pony up all your personal info.
This isnt shill baiting Im asking an honest question which your avoiding, And I asked it nicely and non-defensively but your response is consistent with your own defensive tactic that has been present on this thread from the beggining. Your responses to most people on here have been snide, condescending and inflammatory, It's easy to be that way behind a keyboard isnt it? I wonder if your that way to people in person you disagree with. Whether Gucciardi is correct or not is an honest and viable debate but attacking people in the manner you have because YOU declare their information is wrong or inferior to yours does warrant proof of your science backround. NOW…Since you insist on perceiving your self as an expert on science and arrogantly and pretentiously Insisting that everyone on here who disagrees with you or has other knowledge of this topic is wrong IT IS relevant, funny how you set your own set of rules as to how these debates and argument should be run. And NO I dont put my personal info on open forums, im not stupid. AGAIN this isnt YOUR forum to make the rules as to how someone has to " pony up" to ask an honest and pertinent question of someone who is declaring themselves to have a " passion for science". Your defensiveness only makes you look less qualified to act like an expert than you are.
Come off your high horse "jaime" and tell us why your qualified to tell everyone how wrong they are and your the only one who could possibly be correct about everything on this thread.
"warrant proof of your science backround."
No, because I havnt cited myself as a scientific papers. Ive cited scientific articles and resources that cite scientific papers.
The relevant is in the information and arguments presented, if you cant attack them without attacking the person instead then you don't have an argument.
For example I dont know what Gucciardi's education is, I don't really care because its not relevant or necessary to know to analysis the contents of the above article.
I don't think I'm an expert, I'm just point out something that is pretty obvious if you read the original paper.
"And NO I dont put my personal info on open forums, im not stupid"
Then why would you as me to do it? Look most of us learn internet security 101
"AGAIN this isnt YOUR forum to make the rules as to how someone has to ” pony up”"
and its not YOUR forum either (you are not Gucciardi are you?) to make rules or demand that other post personal info that you yourself recognize would be stupid to post
how about addressing the actual information presented and stop look for personal reasons to dismiss people.
well done trying to turn the tables again , nice little tactic but again your hypocritical. I never said it was my forum nor did i attack people for questioning me. i NEVER asked for your personal info, like you did of me, i only asked , again nicely and respectfully to cite what credentials you have scientifically because i was curious since you perceive to be and expert even though you wont say it. and regardless if you cited other articles as your "proof" or sources you still are condescending and insulting to people on here AND no one has been more dismissive of people on this thread than you. And yes you do attack Gucciardi and call him out . I have read the article and I agree its questionable but the point was more about asking you what gives you the right to write the things you have against some people on here? Again its easy to be snide and insulting behind a keyboard isnt it? I really doubt you'd have the stones to do it to peoples faces , and no I'm not impressed you posted your real name ( supposedly) , its not very smart for someone who knows internet 101. If you really cared about science and truth and educating people who spread misinformation or spread panic via unreliable articles, then you should be less insulting and offer your opinion not insist on it, because it is only your opinion. To your own admission your no more qualified than Gucciardi or reliable in your sources. again if you want to be taken seriously then tell us why you and your info should be considered superior to anyone else that has posted. and THAT is "addressing the actual information presented" because if Gucciardi can post an article that "mass fluoride exposure may be to blame for the cardiovascular disease epidemic" based on flouride usage in PET scans then what stops you or anyone else posting on here from spreading misinformation based on opinion only?
who is this and who is his in bed with
You conspiracy theorist need take a class in critical thinking. This shill baiting is pointless. People can have their own opinions without being tools of the dental industrial complex/new world order/Illuminati/reptilian overlords/whatever your conspiracy theory is. I already posted a link to my Facebook account, you can easily contact me there, contact my friends, see pictures of my girlfriend's baking and my trips to the beach. I'm not hiding who I am and I actually reply to criticism UNLIKE Gucciardi so far.
Now get a better argument that crying "SHILL!!!" every time someone disagree with you or has that audacity to point out that Anthony Gucciardi COMPLETELY misread & misreported the study in the about article, it has nothing to do with what he is talkign about in the above article. Why can people not address that but instead must accuse other of being shills?
ADDRESS THE CONTENT OF THE STUDY! Stop with the pointless shill baiting.
http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/fl…
I am a dental hygienist that refuses to labor under the stewardship of the ADA. Fluoride is not needed by the human body for ANYTHING!
So why don't you pony up and get someone who can read help you out. That's really all it takes to understand this issue. Get them to refresh you on the Nuremberg Code as well.
A confederacy of dunces is in control forcing decent, caring, ignorant or just plain scared people to parrot their bs …IT IS NOT, "Safe and effective! Safe and effective!! Safe and effective!!"
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I appreciate your inquiry into the issue at hand. I agree with your attitude that one should always question the logic of arguments such as these.
From my assessment of the latest research, I have concluded that fluoride exposure in the body not only decreases IQ in children, but also causes accumulation of fluoride in the Pineal Gland.
Dr. Phyllis Mullenix is a leading researcher who has demonstrated links between neurotoxicity and fluoride exposure in very conclusive animal studies. There have also been 16 IQ studies published to date which look at the link between water fluoridation and reduced IQ.
Since I would prefer if no one here took my comments at face value, I will post links to this information below. (Fluoride Alert Website does an excellent job of organizing information on water fluoridation. I suggest everyone explore their website when they have time.)
http://www.fluoridealert.org/pmullenix.htm http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/#human
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I noticed that when it rains the flowers seem to jump up but when I used city water they hardly grew. I put a carbon filter on the hose and behold the filtered city water made them jump. It was the chlorine and fluoride in the water that held the flowers from growing. wwwhoaxofthecenturycom
Any medical professional or government official having access to any recent studies as to the benefits or as to the harmful effects, and still promotes the use of flouride as an additive to public water consumption needs to be discredited, humiliated and then fatally executed in full world view.
Skeptikalvegan looks defeated, I challenged his credentials in science since he insisted on being always right and being pretentiously rude and dismissive of people and he couldn't answer. that was about a month ago and no answer back! he just tried to use feeble shill tactics like turning the question back around and trying to bait my personal info. Look at the last thread btw me and HIm( her) around feb 24th . I think he just wanted to lure people to the site he kept promoting or maybe he is a info baiting plant , or just another annoying little man who can only act rude and tough behind a keyboard, who knows , Funny how he called Gucciardi out and criticized him for not "pony" ing up but he does the same.And NO im not impressed you post a "real" name , again if thats your true info thats just plain stupid!!! Once again proof that its hard to find actual facts on forums and online articles.
THink for yourself folks! do some real research and trust your own instincts OVER ALL OTHER THINGS its what God armed you with especially now in these ever trying times. You have a right to beleive in what you feel is right, even skepticalvegan has that right, just not the right to insist and rudely attack others based on those feelings. we are given free will to choose and think for ourselves and a gov putting harmfull toxins in our water stifles that free will.
So whether you beleive in Flouride or not it should be our right to agree to have it or not, True, if the intension was to "help our teeth" by putting flouride in our drinking water then warn us of the dangers or give us the option and info on how to filter it out if we dont want it ( i use a reverse osmosis filter myself) or maybe offer a flouride additive we can use ourselves , there must be a better option than just inducing us without our knowledge of its potential harms.
SO skepticalveagn or jaime or whatever your real name is, good luck in your journey and i wish you well and hope you have some peace and growth for yourself and like i sadi in the last thread if you want to teach people or try to influence them (regarless or being right or wrong) try to offer your opinion not insist on it.
God Bless Us all!
“Further, the prestigious National Research Council’s (NRC) 2006 fluoride report revealed that fluoride, even in low doses, can harm the thyroid gland, kidney patients, babies and high water drinkers.” “We have served as guinea pigs in this ongoing and failed experiment for far too long. In my position as Alderman, it is my duty to promote the health, safety and welfare of all our residents. Adding fluoride chemicals into our public water supply runs counter to this and therefore needs to end.”
http://www.endfluoridemilwaukee.blogspot.com/
End Fluoride Milwaukee
Water fluoridation is not safe and not effective, end of story (as the dental crises in all long time fluoridated cities will attest). The population have been lab rats for decades and this must be stopped urgently, permanently and irrevocably for all time for the protection of the long term health and safety of the population and our environment. The drinking water supplies of the population were not meant to be hazardous waste disposal areas nor are the kidneys of the population meant to be hazardous waste disposal/filtration units. It must be stopped.
HUMAN TOXICITY, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF WATER FLUORIDATION here http://www.enviro.ie/risk.html
FLUORIDE CAUSES CANCER – Dr John Yiamouyiannis http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=SYxLRtudYM4 “Our studies show that cancers of the gastrointestinal tract, kidney, bladder, breast and ovaries are those primarily associated with fluoride intake”. John Yiamouyiannis PhD, Cancer Control Journal, Vol. 5, no’s1 + 2, p. 75.
FLUORIDE CAUSES CANCER – Dr. Dean Burk – Former Chief of Cytochemistry at National Cancer Institute for 30 years http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqK7XvfLg0
FLUORIDE’S LINK TO CANCER – DR. DAVID KENNEDY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um4baHtxsR4
FLUORIDE AND CANCER http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/cancer/index.aspx
FLUORIDE HEALTH EFECTS DATABASE http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/
FLUORIDE & CANCER http://slweb.org/bibliography.html click on CANCER link
http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html#cancer
BRAIN DEAD ANYONE WHO STILL THINKS ‘WATER FLUORIDATION’ IS A GOOD IDEA http://www.g-tigerclaw.com/Fluoride/fluoride_strategy.htm
This study is being totally misinterpreted by the author. It is discussing the ability of F-18 NaFl being injected PRIOR to having a PET or CT scan to be able to detect cardiovascular damage on the imaging. Nowhere does it correlate fluoride consumption and cardiovascular disease.
I'm not one to think fluoride is good for you, but this is ridiculous! Somebody needs to consult a doctor before trying to interpret medical studies!! lol
and you sheep swallow it like PB&J
agreed. this study is being misinterpreted. even I misinterpreted the study until my wife, who is a cardiac nurse explained it to my properly.
but yeah, fluoride is no good for anyone…and doesn't help guard against tooth decay at all. myths….
I am not commenting on the study, which I did not read. I will,however, give you my personal observations as a dental hygienist, who has been practicing for 20 years. I don't know what studies say that Fluoride in the water does not help to prevent tooth decay, but I do not believe them. Everyday, I see the evidence in my patient's mouths. The amount of tooth decay in patients, who grew up without fluoride in their water, is devastating. These people have enormous amalgams that are replaced with crowns and eventually they loose their teeth to decay and gum disease. Patients who grew up with fluoride in their water hardly have any decay at all. When I see a patient under 50 who has large fillings I ask where they grew up and if they had well water. Inevitably the answer is that they did grow up on well water. You can show me studies that say fluoride doesn't make a difference to teeth, but I will not believe you. I have had my hands in thousands of mouths in the last 20 years and there is a clear difference between people who had fluoride as children and people who didn't. The woman who hasn't had a cavity in 35 years is very fortunate to not have a high concentration of strep mutans in her saliva. She also needs to understand that fluoride in the water supply has almost no affect on adult teeth. This statement also goes out to the woman who claims that she got fluorosis. Impossible. The only affect the fluoride in the water would have would be minimal because it is systemic and does appear in trace amounts in sulcular fluid. Systemic fluoride only effects developing teeth. Developed teeth can however uptake topical fluoride.
I do not presume to comment on how systemic fluoride effects the body. I just know what I see everyday in the mouths of my patients. I guess most of the people who have made comments here, are willing to give up tea, cheese and chocolate. All of these things have fluoride in them.
Paid informant from the fluoride industry above. Scared to lose his job. How could toxic waste byproducts from big industry be good for us in any way shape or fashion. You has a quota to install toxic "mercury" almagrams into humans. Mercury being one of the most toxic things to humans, next to fluoride that is. If you don't fill this quota, you lose your job.
Planet Awesum: seems to be well informed as i believe i am. Mandy, a dentist who posted her comment on 9 August 2012 and who believes synthetic fluoride is helpful should realise that cheese, tea and chocolate and many other foods contain NATURAL fluoride and NOT the poisonous fluoride which is waste from the production of aluminium and which is extremely costly for aluminium manufacturers to bury in the earth. so this chemical fluoride was promoted as being good for healthy teeth.
Fluoride is reported to reduce IQ and is linked to cardiovascular problemws. Researchers found that fluoride consumption directly stimulates the hardening of your arteries, a condition known as atherosclerosis that is highly correlated with the #1 killer.
Read more: http://naturalsociety.com/breaking-fluoride-linke…
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