McDonald’s Sales Rapidly Decline As Americans Reject Fake Food
Fast food ingredients catch up to juggernauts
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The impossible is happening: McDonald’s is quickly diving out of its stable stock position and into a world of financial hurt as citizens of the United States and elsewhere have decided they are completely done with the company’s frankenfoods.
The decision has hit McDonald’s so hard that its own CEO has even stepped down following the news of continued decline in the company’s most recent briefing. The world’s largest restaurant chain is frantically replacing its foundation in an attempt to recover, from removing its CFO and CEO to launching a new ‘trendy’ advertising campaign that premiered at the Super Bowl.
All the new financial and marketing moves in the world, though, cannot change the fact that many people simply will never eat at McDonald’s again thanks to their GMO-laden fast food ingredients — which have been extensively documented by both health organizations and mainstream media alike. With many items containing over 19 different ingredients that are virtually impossible to pronounce and are also used in the production of silly putty and yoga mats, it’s no wonder consumers are saying ‘no thanks’ to Ronald McDonald.
Here’s just a few of the ingredients you can find in many fast food meals:
- Dimethylpolysiloxane – A chemical known for its use in silicone breast implants, silly putty, and also… chicken nuggets
- Propylene glycol – A laxative chemical and electronic cigarette filler that even e-cigarette companies are beginning to phase out
- Azodicarbonamide – A chemical used in the creation of foamed plastic items like yoga mats
Sounds appetizing, doesn’t it?
And let’s be clear, it would be one thing if McDonald’s offered a variety of items that didn’t contain these problematic substances. And it would be one thing if they, following the outspoken warnings of experts and health groups around the globe, actually removed them and sourced non-GMO alternatives for their food products and added real food instead. Or spoke out and made sure not to financially support the factory chicken farms that whistleblowers have revealed revolve around not allowing the chickens to ever breathe fresh air and forcing them to sit upon generations of feces and blood.
So is it any wonder that McDonald’s is facing some serious trouble? Will removing the frankenfoods from their menu be their only option? According to Business Insider, ‘McDonald’s Is Losing America’:
“On Monday, McDonald’s reported global same-store sales that declined 2.2% month on month. This missed analysts’ expectations for a 1.7% decline. In the US, the story was even worse for the fast-food giant as same-store sales fell 4.6%.
The disappointing numbers from McDonald’s come as the chain faces increasing competition from restaurants like Chipotle. Last week we noted that even the Federal Reserve’s fieldwork on the US economy showed the consumer shift toward outlets like Chipotle and away from chains like McDonald’s.”
 | Natural Society staff contribution |
These articles piss me off… written by idiots with no foothold in reality
I honestly don’t think it has ANYTHING to do with “Fake Food” rejection
what so ever…. It’s a matter of price….. Mc Donald’s prices have
skyrocketed in a time where the average citizen has MUCH less disposable
income…. The “dollar menu” (which has become the Dollar and More
menu” because dollar items are becoming impossible to serve due to
rising costs, has shrunken to a few obscure menu items no
one really wants, and most of the items on it aren’t even a dollar
anymore…. The average value meal price is around $7.00 per meal with
some going as high as $9.00, and the low end around $5.00….. in a time
where record numbers are unemployed and the foodstamp roster is at a
record high, people simply can’t even afford the crap from Mc Donalds
like they used to…. These people are STILL eating fake food…. 2
Liter bottles of soda by the ton…. cheap processed crap…. They are
just getting more of it for what little money they have at the grocery
store
But what do I know……
In
a time when Walmart is having money problems YOU KNOW it’s a sure sign
of troubled financial waters NOT a sign people are suddenly becoming
health conscious
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/05/wal_mart_sales_decline_america_s_largest_retailer_is_slipping_as_customers.html
Obviously you don’t know everything. Organic and healthy food sales have sky-rocketed in the last 5 years or so. No, not everyone is eating healthy, but many are transitioning away from processed foods and fast foods–and that means less business for them.
You’ve got it all figured out….. I must be wrong then….. Silly me
Well, no. I don’t have it “all” figured out, but I do know that the sales of healthy and organic foods have risen considerably in the last several years. Some of it is quite a bit more expensive than conventional food and some of it isn’t. The point being that they are gaining in popularity, which means that less money is being spent on fast food and conventional foods. But yeah, there are plenty of people out there still consuming cheap processed food. Maybe they just don’t know any better or they don’t have good access to decent foods or maybe they just don’t care. Who knows, eh?
Never was a big “fast food” consumer. However, I distinctly remember the day I was on a long road trip and stopped at a Burger King for a quick meal–just a small Whopper. Wow. 10 mins. later my mouth and throat were burning and then I had the worst migraine ever (I never get them). Needless to say that was my last fast food meal and that was back in 2001. I won’t even eat their salads. If I’m too busy to eat I’d rather wait until decent food is available and not eat at all.
Early McDonald’s had real food, and one very successful product was real potatoes each franchise kept on hand with special storage. People greatly liked non soggy french fries made from unprocessed actual potatoes. Their french fries were really good and wholesome.
First of all propelyne glycol, is an organic compound used in nearly everything we consume. It is found in anything from consumable alcohol, ice cream, coffee, all different types of food, medication (inhalers), yes e cigarettes, and even in cigarettes. It is considered G.R.A.S by the government.
It is quite obvious why you threw the propylene glycol in there, and that’s because of all the hype around ecigs and all this wacky propaganda. PG is a main ingredient in ecigs and NO THEY’RE NOT TAKING IT OUT! It’s not dangerous for human consumption and never will be. Do your research you P.O.S. Thank you.
TRUTH BE TOLD:
The boycott has sure helped… so they shouldn’t say it is all about frankenfoods… they started losing and have lost a LOT of business since last summer because they contribute so much to Israel.
so it isn’t all about the food like products they sell…
Chipotle is majority owned by Mcdonalds btw so …. no its not a competitor
Unfortunately (for McDonald’s) they divested themselves from Chipotle back in ’06.
” Years ago, Hulda Rehr Clark found propylene glycol in every case of cancer that she investigated and advised folks to avoid anything with prop in it. When I was in grad school in the late fifties or early sixties, the new fast food place, McDonalds,sold hamburgers for 10 cents each. Do you think our income has increased that exponentially? It used to be a place that hired teens trying to make a little money. With the disappearance of jobs, employees have families and are asking for wages that support families. It all adds up. Yes, people are becoming more knowledgeable about health, and, with educational sites, people are learning what is causing the diseases that are killing school children and older citizens. It all adds up.
I stopped eating there like 20 years ago before I ever knew what ingredients were in their food. The cockroach embedded in my then-boyfriend’s breakfast sandwich was enough for me…
I read somewhere recently of the ridiculous and dangerous chemicals that Mackies puts in their fries (beyond the gunk that Anthony listed in his article). It is NOT just potatoes and oil; GMO potatoes or not. No more for me. This stuff is downright poisoning people. Wake up, America. Oh – it looks as though ‘you’ are. Well done.
I wonder if the horrible McDonalds ad campaign with the annoying music and marketing which tends to focus on urban youth has anything to do with their decline?
I’ve hated Mac and Don’s since they came out with them happy meals. That junk would last the ride home before it was broken. In 1999 they came out with a, what they claimed to be a steak sandwich. I bought 2 in West Virginia while we were traveling cross country. Before I took a bite I had oil running down my arm, all over my legs, boots, seat, and floor. Thinking it was a fluke, I opened the second one. It was worse! I thought Mac and Dons was serving garbage all my life, just a few days short of 60 years now. The only fast food I’ve had in the last 15 plus years is Subway, and they’re nothing to write home about either. I will only do mom and pop greasy spoons!
OMG! They are too big to fail! Something must be done
the thought of eating anything from McDonald’s turns my stomach. I simply will not eat there. it started with pink goo and that was it for me.
I think its becuz of over all food awareness, ever since the gmo thing. People are scared of their food.
Couldn’t tell by the Mcdonald’s around here, they always have customers.
The main reason people are eating less fast-food is not because they’re buying more expensive, healthier food. It’s because the economy is deteriorating so badly, folks can’t even afford to buy fast food. Fast food is actually quite expensive in this imploding economy compared to canned food or other processed / frozen items you can buy at the grocery store.
Also true… But its also true that when Im money conscious, I cut out the things I need the least based on being practical, healthy or useful. When people do have a extra few bucks to spend on a quick eat, they still arent turning to McDonalds’ dollar menu. More bang for the buck includes eating more nutrient dense food because money is tight and food isnt as plentiful. People know its unhealthy, and that fact is factored in when making choices and weighing options.
Chipotles is pricey and theyre doing fine. No ones stopped paying 6 dollars for coffee at Starbucks either so its probably not the economy too much. People want to spend money on quality food now. McDonalds is not quality and people know this.
I can say as one of the 46 million Americans receiving food assistance that ain’t what I’m doing with my money. I can’t afford healthy food, period. Also consider that in addition to the 46 million receiving food assistance there’s easily tens of millions who NEED assistance but don’t get it either because of pride or ignorance on how to sign up for it.
IMO, you only think you can’t afford healthy food. Go to your local Kroger or look up Azure Standard online (though I don’t know if they take SNAP). Organic healthy foods aren’t *that* much more expensive than processed foods and I guarantee that they’re less expensive than fast food meals (unless you’re buying from the dollar menu at McDonalds). I regularly buy 3 heads of organic lettuce for about $3 at Kroger, and that’s enough to make dinner salads for 2 or 3 nights for two people. The organic toppings I add aren’t that much, either. I make my own salad dressings; they taste better, are cheaper, and are made with high-quality and simple ingredients. All told, for very good organic dinner salads, I pay about $1.50 each, and that’s with them being totally loaded like a chef salad at a fancy restaurant. They’re a lot more healthy than anything on the dollar menu at McDonalds, and they don’t cost that much more. I know exactly what’s in them, too, because *I* put it there.
I compared prices on organic vs conventional carrots tonight and the organic were the exact same price as conventional carrots. The generic organic cereal I buy (and the name-brand organic when it’s on sale) is the same price or less than the “normal” cereals. And yes, everything in the store that is food like that is eligible for the SNAP or WIC programs, regardless if they’re organic or not. I would rather my tax dollars which are going to those programs be spent on organic produce rather than conventional foods because it’s better for the people consuming the food, it’s better for the people growing the food, and it’s better on the environment. Most stores have “natural and organic” sections nowadays. It’s worth walking over there and looking through it to see if you can find some deals.
I’m not on welfare but I’m not far from it, unfortunately. I afford healthy and organic foods by being a smart shopper and being willing to cook from scratch. I stock up on items when they’re on sale and I buy in bulk. I buy semi-local meats from the local butcher, and we limit our meat consumption so we aren’t spending so much money. I get free-range ground beef for $5 a pound from the ranchers where I buy raw milk, which is the same price as factory-farmed meat. It would be more than that if I bought a pound at a time, so I buy in bulk to bring down the price.
I make my own refried beans from canned or dried organic beans, and we eat them 3 or more times a week for dinner. I can my own salsa from produce that comes from my garden and from a local organic farmer, and we have that with the bean dip I often make. Pancakes and french toast made with organic ingredients (with real maple syrup or homemade fruit syrups) make regular appearances in my house.
I may not have a “gourmet raw food” diet, but it’s healthy enough and it’s affordable and it’s filling. That’s what really matters to me. The raw milk I buy is by far the most expensive item, but I can afford it because I save so much money on the other things I buy. If someone wants to eat better, it’s just a matter of priorities and being a smart consumer.
You, sir, are AWESOME!
I’m a ma’am, but thank you anyways for the compliment. 🙂
I agree, she is! 🙂
If you’re on food assistance, you can’t afford to NOT eat healthy food. Whole grains and unprocessed food is far cheaper than junk food. A big potato will cost you 50 cents. That same potato as fries will cost you $4, and as potato chips will cost you $10. Plus the junk food will be missing all the enzymes in the fresh potato, and will be have all those rancid oils and chemicals.
It will require you to plan ahead. I make a big pot of brown rice on the week end that lasts me till Wednesday, and eat it as the staple part of both breakfast and dinner.
It also requires that you recondition your taste buds. People who eat junk food get addicted to the chemicals (that are put there for that purpose) so that plain simple food tastes bad. Overcoming that is just a matter of intention, not finances, and poor people can do it as well as rich people.
I don’t think you seriously have a clue how bad the economy really is for most people. I’ve had 5 months of employment in the last 3 years (and it was for $10/hr) Try that & see what kind of food you can afford…
I spent years being desperately poor. The only convenience foods I bought were ketchup and eggs. Everything else was from scratch. Now that there are food banks, it’s better, but food banks usually won’t have whole grains, so you have to buy them. They are good, tasty, and cost about 10-15 cents per meal.
If you have a refrigerator, a hot plate, and a pan, you can eat very low on the food chain and eat a nutritious diet. Seriously, poor people can’t afford to eat crappy food.
Dude, i haven’t had regular income in over 5 years, I eat a healthy vegetarian diet that costs much less than whatever you’re eating i am sure. The least healthy thing i eat is whole grain pasta, which is about 15 cents a meal lol. Beans are your friend, cheap filled with protein. Its more about educating yourself on how to eat.
I am so encouraged by your response. Thank you for your efforts. We must combat the mythology that a healthy lifestyle is more expensive. I’ll say it plainly: It is NOT expensive to your wallet, but it is expensive to your time and how you decide to privilege food and health in your (and your family’s) lifestyle. It’s about making a decision and commitment about what is important to you. Real eating, whole food eating and preparation is messy and time consuming, but it is so, so worth it. I could go on and on…. but in the end, it’s about opting out of a food system that is fundamentally flawed, corrupt, dangerous to human and animal health, disastrous to the environment, and tremendously damaging to our social and cultural lives. Thank you for sharing your story.
I wonder what a single person can get monthly? I know someone that makes less than $300 week but won’t apply in PA?
I know it’s not easy having to pinch pennies, trust me, but you are worth the extra effort!!!
When your immune and organ systems become unable to tolerate the poisons it is being forced to deal with, the suffering and enormous expense of being put through the big pharma/medical meat-grinder will greatly outweigh any inconvenience and special budgeting that you do NOW to prevent these things.
Please don’t feel I’m being judgemental – that’s not where this is coming from. I say this with compassion.
I look around all the time and see how tempting our modern world has made eating garbage quick and easy. Many people have been stripped of their natural instincts for real food. Fast food chains should not even exist in a society that cares for health. The western world has been corporatized and the diseases of millions caused by horrid food is a tragic testament to this reality.
FreedomDove gave you some very practical and truly precious advice. So, if there is a will, there is a way.
I’d also check out Trader Joe’s if you have one near you.
Many blessings to you! 🙂
Spouts is better(price and overall organic selection) than trader joes but I’m not sure how many regions they are in. Trader joes does generally have a bigger organic selection and much cheaper than whole foods, though. In order to really get the highest quality food of the cheapest you are going to have to shop at a few places.
Oh, I’ve never heard of Spouts. Yeah, I agree, I shop at Trader Joe’s, Stop & Shop and Whole Foods in order get the best deals from each.
So true. There is a local grocer near me where I can buy fresh produce whole sale. So I use a crock pot now to prepare veggie and bean stews, buy lots of fresh veggies and fruits. It’s actually amazing how much quicker, cheaper, and healthier my eating has become. It takes some planning but it can be done. Breakfast is steel cut oats with fruit and almond milk, lunch is a veggie stew, fruit and/or salad with non fat yogurt, dinner a baked potato, veggies, brown rice and snacks are fruit or raw veggies. Easy prep and easy clean up. My food bills are 50% less since I rarely eat junk or red meat.
Oh yeah…wild salmon a few times weekly…I can now afford it!
That’s awesome…good for you!
About time!
Now that the psychopaths know where consumers are eating at, they will target their GMO policies towards that establishment.
Until they are removed from power.
Namaste.
Nice to see an awakened person here…Namaste
Right, but they won’t remove themselves. The most succinct version of the only realistic attitude: Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.
Passivity is acquiescence.
I’ll gladly take saturated fat over carbs, and probably even tolerate GMOs, if the food is good, and if they don’t constantly look for ways to cheapen it. A few years ago, McDonalds had the angus burger, that was good. Other menu items were also good. But as soon as people started to come back, they cheapened it, hoping we wouldn’t notice. Well, we did. And there are a lot of good alternatives today, so they don’t have the muscle to make us come back.
They quit selling the angus burgers because they became to expensive when they economy went down, the meals were already like $6.99 I believe and they couldn’t raise the prices anymore (knowing people couldn’t afford it) so they quit selling it.
How about the fact the food is so fake, it not only tastes bad, but can make many people sick? I know I’m not the only one who has ever gotten sick at McDonald’s. Nearly all my friends have. My dog who is a garbage gut won’t even eat the fries from there. what does that tell you? I believe in voting with my pocketbook. However, a 5% decline in a horribly bad economy is hardly devastating to McDONALD’S.
Negative. Back in late 2012, McD’s posted the first monthly drop in same store sales for the first time in 9 years. Since then, the trend has been at best semi-stagnant, at worse, on the slow downtrend. CEO Thompson who just stepped down had hardly been on the job long when that sales report came out.
Beyond that, check these companies doing dividends, stock buybacks, etc. THAT’S where the real action lies either way…and I’m sure will continue in McD’s future especially if these numbers don’t start really turning around by the end of this year.
Yes, it has to be the gmos. It couldn’t possibly be the fact that the food is full of fat, or just doesn’t taste that good.
Yes, because it can’t possibly be because of multiple reasons..
Let’s see other fast food uses gmos and sales are fine — conclusion? Josh is an idiot and his logic is bad.
Yes I’m an idiot for saying its MULTIPLE reasons that is causing this and not just GMO. Improve your reading comprehension before you throw out ad hominems and make yourself look ridiculous.
They touched on 2 other things that more and more consumers are starting to find out about their food that is for sure also causing the dip in sales. They may even be hurting the sales more than the GMO, but one thing is for sure fast food places like Chipotle, are becoming more and more popular and you are seeing far more selections of organic food at supermarkets and cost co’s. So clearly more and more people are wanting foof that doesn’t have there genetics altered.
foof? Must be Josh talk, LOL. True organic sales are up, because of people like yourself spreading lies. Are you proud that you help people waste their pay checks buying the same food for more money? It is strange what humors an idiot like you.
Am I proud to promote and maybe talk people into eating health food pack with nutrients, without deadly carcinogens spread on them or DNA from bacteria, viruses and animals inserted into the plants genetics, without understand what this will do? Yes, yes, I am. Probably as more proud than you are when you get your checks from Monsanto for spreading their propaganda, “Phillip”.
Your in ability to master the English language proves that you are a Chinese spy trying to get gullible Americans to waste their money on the same food with a higher price tag. You had better be careful. Another labeling defeat and you government might have you shoot, comrade.
If you have to pick at someones spelling or grammar to make a point, you obviously are missing it… maybe focus on valid reasons by you beleive GMOs are true or false, instead of childish mockery. If a spelling error or typo makes you not be able to understand the bigger picture, youre a dunce.
He has admitted in the past to having many accounts on disqus and he uses typos and spelling errors to throw at ad hominems as red herrings so he doesn’t have to answer what was actually said.
Billions have consumed them daily for the last twenty years all with zero side effects, not to mention the generations of livestock that have consumed them all with the same result, wait for it, no problems. Only an idiot would still question them.
There is absolutely NO proof that they aren’t causing harm since there have been NO long-term after-market studies done on human health since they’ve been introduced. Only GM-trolls assume that there hasn’t been harm without long-term studies…And only GM-trolls would spout disinformation about no harm to animals when there has been sufficient evidence to show that there IS harm to animals (decreased fertility, organ damage, etc–even death of animals feeding on GM-field forage).
Wow all that but no real evidence. You should be a lawyer with that presentation. Give us examples that you can actually look up.
There’s plenty of evidence out there of everything I’ve said (I gave you examples); you’re obviously just not intelligent enough to find it yourself…
When someone asks for references you attack them? Thanks for proving that you lied!!
Believe me, that wasn’t an attack. Intelligent people don’t have to ask others for references when those references are all over the Internet and available to anyone who bothers to look for them. I’ve argued with trolls like you for years now, always posting link after link. Unfortunately, it’s usually a waste of time because either the troll ignores them or the posts don’t make it through moderation because it contains links. So again, go find the information yourself…just like I’ve done over the years.
You site the Internet? Yes, I guess if it is on Facebook it must be true!! LOL. Fortunately, this is why congress is taking up the labeling question and will look at the scientific tests not the Facebook challenge.
Yeah, I *cite* the Internet; there is a VAST amount of information online, including scientific papers, if you’d bother to look for them. Don’t expect me to hold your hand for something so simple as a web search…
I found many of the fake studies that you would claim and not a single one that actually proves your point. Sorry I did forget to check The Enquirer’s site, I’m sure you get a lot of good info there.
Only a troll would call legitimate studies fake…
A legitimate study is one that stands up to the test of peers. Since you refuse to actually name any (most likely because you know real ones don’t exist) I can’t go into details for you.
I know they exist and so do you. You just choose to ignore them like all good trolls do. 🙂
Sorry but even you won’t name just one, so you just lie about them. So sad. What about spreading lies gets you off? What a weirdo.
ROFLMAO. You really are an inept person, aren’t you? I can’t believe you need me to hold your hand. How pathetic…
I’ll go ahead and post some links but I’ll do it in a separate comment because the chances are high that any post with links won’t make it through moderation. In that case, you’re just going to have to do the work yourself….if you’re capable, that is. 😉
I have no doubt that you will dismiss every one of these papers and articles, GMO Roberts, but I’ll go ahead and waste my time posting them anyways…
http://www.enveurope.com/content/26/1/14
http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/havuz/biy-1406-61.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24959949
http://gmojudycarman.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/The-Full-Paper.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412013000494
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2176082/deformities_sickness_and_livestock_deaths_the_real_cost_of_gm_animal_feed.html
http://www.gmwatch.eu/index.php/news/archive/2014/15404-roundup-damages-pigs-and-should-be-banned-danish-farmer
http://www.nationofchange.org/farmers-see-better-animal-health-non-gmo-feed-scared-say-so-1403019863
I don’t have time to post all the research done on the pesticides used on the majority of GMOs. Suffice to say that’s just another nail in the biotech coffin… 😉
A lot of talk and still nothing. Of course that is what you have been saying all along — nothing.
Unsurprisingly, that comment didn’t make it through moderation with the dozen or so links I put in it. I guess you’ll have to grow up and do your own homework…
Lol did you ever think about posting things a little differently to get around that? No it slipped right past your limited abilities. Try gmodangeroustalk. Com.
I’m afraid that my links were actually *real* ones with very lengthy URLs. You know, links to research papers which you could find on your own if you had any intelligence…
Sure they were they are right at the end of the rainbow with all the other important info. So sad. All you do is bitch, but when presented with hard facts you crumble.
ROFLMAO. Hard facts? What hard facts do you speak of? You certainly haven’t presented any. And I hate to burst your bubble, but I’m not crumbling…
Btw, exactly how much do you get paid for being a troll?
Oh yes, anyone with a brain that doesn’t blindly follow the crap you spread must be a paid troll. Sorry, nobody has to pay me to call out a liar like you.
No, anyone who trolls around natural health sites with a name like GMO Roberts, and who constantly supports biotech with a blind eye to the truth is a troll. You, deary, fit that description to a “t”. There is NO reason for you to be here, so you obviously work for them…or you’re just *really* stupid and brainwashed.
Someone who refuses to believe mountains of evidence like yourself is the stupid one. That is obvious. Last I looked it is sill a free country and I CAN be here if I wish. So too bad loser. If you really are dumb enough to think that I work for Monsanto than so be it, because you can’t fix your kind of stupid. By the way though, I don’t have to be paid because I would show up a schmuck like your for free!!! It is so easy that it doesn’t even deserve payment.
Yeah, right. “Mountains of evidence” that comes from biotech themselves or universities and researchers that receive money or support from biotech. Not convincing…
Are you done yet, troll boy? I am. You have nothing.
If you would have looked at the website you would have seen all the studies and where the funding came from, but no instead you just want to whine like the little school girl you are. It is people like you that are the trouble in this world today. Always complaining wanting a shoulder to cry on. How sad.
ROFLMAO. You send me to a pro-biotech site and expect that to be enough to satisfy me when I’ve read all the farmer testimonies and research showing harm from conventional agriculture? You really are full of yourself, aren’t you? Go blow your smoke up someone else’s arse because it’s not working on me. I *do* have a brain and I prefer to use it, unlike *some* people. 😉
See you won’t accept independent results, it doesn’t matter who reprints them. You only want to accept your lies and those that agree with you. Fortunately, the majority disagrees with you as they believe the research and know that we need a lot of food production to feed the ever growing population.
Again, little troll under the bridge, the independent studies I’ve seen run counter to the ones you espouse. Your “majority” only includes biotech researchers and universities being supported by biotech. Again, I’m not impressed.
Oh, and we certainly do NOT need GMOs to feed our population. That is one of the biggest lies fed to the public by you idiots. We’ve always grown more than enough food for everyone–the problem is with inequality, poverty, distribution, and waste. And no amount of BS from the biotech sector is going to change that fact. In actuality, the conventional agriculture model is decimating our planet and we would be better off changing the model altogether.
Are you done trolling yet? Because I’m *really* bored with you and your incessant propaganda….
I can see why you are bored no more than you are using your brain. The population is growing rapidly and it is quickly going to outpace food production, but no lets wait until we are all starving to worry about new methods!! What great logic you have let tomorrow take care of itself. As for the research I gave you connections to real independent studies that you ignored for no good reason. You have yet to come up with anything to support your fantasies, of course when nothing exists to support them there is no wonder.
There’s nothing new under the sun, buddy. The methods we need to be doing have been done by nature for eons; we just need to learn to recreate them after decimating the land.
And since you’re obviously not intelligent enough to find anything on your own, and to shut you up (though not likely), I’ll go ahead and post the titles to some actual independent research. I know this won’t satisfy you and you’ll use the normal troll line that everything against conventional agriculture has been “discredited”, though. The thing is that it’s only been “discredited” by biotech and the chemical corporations, so that doesn’t mean diddly squat to anyone who cares about their food…
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There is no doubt in my mind that this guy is a troll. Monsanto has virtually unlimited funds to hire these sell-outs:
Monsanto was caught red-handed in 2002 operating a full-scale sockpuppet campaign to discredit two researchers at UC Berkeley. Web of Deceit provides a pretty complete index of the coverage.
Other items of interest:
Monsanto paid smoking/cancer researcher Richard Doll a “consulting” fee of $1500 per day to publicly deny the (now proven) link between Agent Orange and cancer. “Renowned cancer scientist was paid by chemical firm for 20 years.”
Monsanto paid at least $700,000 in bribes to Indonesian officials after meeting with resistance to introduction of Bt cotton. “The seeds of a bribery scandal in Indonesia.”
Did Monsanto bribe distributors to promote Roundup? ask SEC investigators. “SEC Investigates Monsanto’s Roundup Biz”
Monsanto paid NPR for better coverage. “Monsanto’s Public Relations Machine Goes into Overdrive”
Congressional votes on GMO labelling match almost perfectly with Monsanto campaign contributions. “Why Senator Bernie Sanders’ GMO Labeling Amendment to the Farm Bill Failed: Monsanto’s GMO Money.”
The GMO lobby recently forced the journal Food and Chemical Toxicology to retract a well-documented study linking genetically modified food to cancer tumours in rats. “Retracting Séralini Study Violates Science and Ethics.”
They also hired a subsidiary of Blackwater to monitor activists and blog writers. They’re certainly very desperate.
Hi Robert.
How are you today?
Wow a groupie!! I am so honored!! For you to go to all this trouble means you are really concerned about me telling the TRUTH on here!!! Eyes must be opening!!!
Hey Robo,
Its me, your #1 Fan.
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Number One Fan.
I’ve done the same thing. However when I post links its not for the shills. They are paid to post disinfo not read actual science, but others that are looking the first time might want to know were to start or see you not be able to post a cite and not know its because you have a thousand times yet the shills will ask on every new article like you have not shown them dozens if times. Gmoroberts, or Phillip as he also goes by, uses this tactic on a professional level.
There is plenty of evidence that GMOs have caused real harm to humans and livestock not to mention the environment. http://earthopensource.org/wordpress/downloads/GMO-Myths-and-Truths-edition2.pdf
@GMO_roberts what a stupid statement. That is like saying well radiation isn’t harmful because billions of people have inhaled radiation from Fukushima and no one has died, so nuclear radiation must be good for you.
People are living longer lives but have never been sicker with nearly 50% of Americans taking at least 1 prescription. 9 out of 10 Adults 65 years or older taking at least pill. 1 in 10 Americans take 5 or more prescriptions. And with all the toxins we consume on a daily bases its impossible to pin it on 1 thing or the other. So in that case lets forget about the problem and say their is nothing wrong and people aren’t dropping like flies so everything is safe and good for you.
The are deemed safe because of a bunch of unethical 90 day studies claim they are. So when massive amounts of people start manifesting the same diseases animals in actual long term studies( you know one linger than 3 months) manifest gmo’s are never questioned because they are thought of as safe bc of the 90 corporate studies. Only an idiot would not see this is circular logic and is not in the least bit scientific..
And yet after twenty years livestock has been eating gmos for many generations all with zero issues. Strange how you are so concerned about gmos, but never seem to concerned about mutation breeding! Aren’t you afraid that people will start glowing in the dark after eating all that atomic radiation that is today freely labeled organic? What a joke.
You know my stance on mutation breeding, as I have told you plenty of times when you brought it up as “Phillip”. I have said many times that mutation breeding is in the same category as GMO’s and should never have been allowed, in the first place. This however is another red herring you love to use to try to change the subject away from GMO’s. As if, because their are other bad breed practices that makes GMO’s ok. Your logic is still very weak Phillip, I don’t understand how Big agro is still wanting to pay you for dribble like this…
I really don’t know what you are on, but I have never even heard of mutation breeding until yesterday, and I certainly have never discussed it with you under any screen name. That is the problem when you lie as much as you do it can be hard to keep them all straight. I do like the way you have danced around how livestock have been eating gmos for twenty years with zero problems. That is YOUR very weak logic, but what else does anyone expect from you.
I never once lied, we have indeed discussed it under your “phillip” screen name because you brought it up in a similar way as you did here. I also did not side step your claim to zcausing zero problems in animals that have been eating them for 20 years. They are deemed safe because of unethical 90 day studies so when human OR animals get things disease, gmo’s are never looked at as the cause because the 90 day corporate science deems them safe. Its circular logic and unscientific especially considering the many long term independent studies that are starting the mount up, that show gmo do indeed cause things like hormonal disturbance, massive organ failure, tumor growth and infertility after multiple generations. You can act like this has not been shown to you all you want but more and more people are actually looking into the many studies being conducted and how they are being surprised but all that will do is show everyone what many of us already know, that being, you have a financial interest in this game and you don’t care who you hurt as long as your money is protected. But we need not worry, as I said more people are waking up to Monsanto et al and know about there practices and we are seen it with more and more people wanting to avoid their seeds of death.
LOL, everyday that passes with out any of your scare tactics coming true just adds more evidence that you don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about. If things like infertility were true then there would be very little livestock left in this country after twenty years of consuming gmos. Everything you said is a lie, especially about the mutation breeding. Why don’t you either list the article so we can look up the comments or just admit it.
Just because you fear you will love money from people understanding GMO have been shown to be very harmful in various ways, does not make it fear mongering. I have no idea what you are claiming I lied about mutating breads but in case you are to dense to understand what I said, I was in agreement that its a joke that they are allowed to exist to and am vigorously against them as well as GMO’s. Im I have no idea what article you want me to list but I will list a few very well researched articles on the harm caused by gmo. As it is far easier than just listing off the dozen studies showing them to be dangerous. As always, “phillip” im not doing this for you because we all know that you are not here to read or get educated, your paid to be here to spread disinfo.
Here is an article that discusses multiple studies that showed gmo damage.
http://www.aaemonline.org/gmopost.html
This one has 41 referances including studies showing how unpredictable and dangerous inserting DNA from viruses and bacteria into plant seeds; and the many different systemic issues gmo cause in animal. http://www.responsibletechnology.org/health-risks
No to mention the Seralini study, which is the longest, most in depth study on toxicological effects caused by GMO and Round up herbicide. Which was unethically and for unscientific reasons withdrawn from the medical journal, right after an ex Monsanto employee become the editor of biotech studies. All to hide the findings.
I did, in fact, post information about the harm to animals and my comment didn’t make it through moderation. So be a big boy now and go find the info yourself if you’re really interested. Of course, I don’t think that you are concerned with the truth or you would have already found said information.
LOL. So you say. What a cheap attempt. I’m not going to even look for information that doesn’t really exist. This isn’t natural news. They don’t censor things like you claim.
ROFLMAO. They weren’t censoring me; they just don’t allow links, much like other websites. I know you won’t go look for the information. It’s obvious that you’re either incapable or disinterested because that would blow a hole in your ego/mindset. Still doesn’t make you right. 😉
See how easy it is, gmodangeroustalk. com it really wan’t that hard to put a link in if you really wanted to do so. Unless of course you are just stalling hoping that no one calls your bluff. So sad loser.
LOL. You really are quite pathetic. I already posted 15-20 links for you and I’m not wasting my time doing it again. My links were to actual research papers and articles that have much more to their URL than a simple biotech propaganda site name. Again, if you were *actually* interested, you could find the information yourself. You have proven time and time again that you’re NOT interested in any real information, by refusing to look for it yourself. The only thing that interests you is talking smack for the industry (you’re not very good at it, I might add). Now go back under your biotech rock where they might think you have something important to say.
Why the lies? You haven’t posted a single link. Can I find any myself? I find studies that have easily been discredited, but no real ones that you claim exist. I gave you a website that links to real documents from all over the world, and you didn’t even look at it. You are the sad individual that only wants to act big and spread lies. What a sad existence you have. You have my pity.
I don’t need pity from a pathetic troll, but thanks anyways. It’s not my fault or my problem that my links didn’t make it through, and I don’t care if your boss pays you to discredit the animal studies that have been done. That’s not my problem, either. The majority of positive studies done on GMOs are short-term studies that have been undertaken by biotech themselves or universities and researchers who take money from biotech. Talk about conflict of interest…
AWWWW you don’t want my pity. Well you have it. Not smart enough to look at the evidence and your not smart enough to put in a link without it getting banned. It must be tough to be as helpless as you. As I said before, I am my own boss and no one pays me to show you up. It isn’t even a challenge. As far as your studies go, fine throw them all out. Studies are really kinda useless after twenty years of practical applications in the real world anyway. If any of your science fiction was true then there would be real problems in the livestock industry today, not to mention with humans as well. Once again it just hasn’t happened. Each day that passes just makes you look even worse.
Again, I don’t need pity from a pathetic troll such as yourself. What I do need is unbiased research about conventional chemical agriculture methods and I have seen plenty of it to know that I want to avoid it. There ARE real problems in the livestock industry–you just choose to ignore them. Congratulations on burying your head in the sand…
I gave you the web site are you not smart enough to click on the heading Research with independent funding?
Problems in the livestock industry? Sure, high input prices and low meat prices. Milk price is crashing as well. Now we have even more regulations coming at us so now producers will have to get a prescription to purchase antibiotics. This will once again raise costs for no good reason, just to appease fools like yourself.
By the way, I still pity you, because you just aren’t smart enough to understand.
Again with the pity statement. LOL. Clearly you aren’t smart enough to understand that I don’t need any because I’m very much capable of reading and comprehending the current research and farmer/rancher testimony. It doesn’t matter how many links I would show you because you will undoubtedly criticize every one of them and find fault in them, just like all good trolls do.
The independent research I’ve seen clearly shows harm to animals. We don’t know how much harm might be happening to people because there have been NO long-term aftermarket studies done on humans.
Harm to animals comes in the way of infertility and organ damage. And I would gladly pay more for pasture-raised animal products to avoid excessive hormones and antibiotics, while idiots like you think that those things aren’t hurting anyone. I actually pity you–and you really do need it, along with some critical thinking skills that don’t originate in the biotech manual of “How to troll the Internet”.
I’m done with you, troll-boy. You have nothing intelligent to say and I could care less what you think of me or the research done or the ranchers who are now abandoning GM-feed for their animals. No matter how much you deny it, you are clearly a biotech troll with nothing better to do than to post propaganda for the industry–whatever your stake is in the claim. I’ve run through the gamut of trolls and you are one of the biggest ones so far….
LOL, farmer testimony is the greatest!!! They vote with their dollars and the vote says 90%+ for gmos, because that is what they plant. Sure it isn’t 100%, never will be. You will always be able to find a few who will say something bad about anything. As for your studies they have been going on for close to twenty years in the real world with no problems at all. You still have my pity, but hopefully you will open your eyes at some point.
Oh Roberto. Your so silly.
Silly enough that it has you worried
You are pathetic. And unfortunately for you, more and more farmers are turning away from GM-crops after finding that they’re not “all that”. 🙂
As for your lies about the studies, make sure to check out my other comment which opposes your belief that there are “no problems at all”. Also, there is NO consensus among scientists that GMOs are safe and/or even necessary.
No scientific consensus on GMO safety, Hilbeck et al. Environmental Sciences Europe (2015) 27: DOI 10.1186/s12302-014-00
Oh I’m sorry there Einstein I forgot about your couple of studies that no one seems to be able to replicate vs. the thousand of replications that show safety and the billions that eat them daily with no harm at all.
Strange how with farmers turning away from them they wouldn’t be over 90% year after year now would they?
“Couple of studies”? ROFLMAO. Only a troll would say that after I posted over a dozen of them and also a paper confirming that there’s no consensus to the safety of GMOs. Again, troll-boy, there have been NO long-term after-market studies proving that these foods haven’t been causing harm, so your pathetic statements are meaningless in the face of rising disease.
And since you’re so good at trolling for GM-articles, I’m surprised you didn’t see the one here about how many farmers are now turning away from GM-crops…
Strange how we are still over ninety percent gmos then with everyone turning away from them.
Of course it’s not going to happen overnight, troll-boy. But considering the fact that GM-seed costs more, GM-crops are causing problems such as super-weeds and super-insects, and more consumers are demanding non-GM-products–it’s only a matter of time before more GM-farmers start switching back to non-GM-seed. Simple. 😉
The big problem with your theory is that most of the corn we raise goes for livestock feed. Meat and dairy products are exempt in the labeling. The second largest user is ethanol and they don’t care if it is made from gmos or not. Again on soybeans most are exported to China and used by the livestock industry, again both willing accept gmos. Talk to most farmers and they can’t wait for final approval of the new enlist soybean.
It’s not a “theory”, it’s a reality. The demand for non-GM-food is only increasing every day. Smart farmers will ditch the GMOs if they know what’s good for their business. The only reason hard-core GM-farmers can’t wait for the new GM-soybean is because the first one is failing them…. 😉
BTW, I don’t eat factory-farmed GM-fed animal products anymore (and haven’t for a long time) and there are many many many people who also refuse to eat it, and many more who are waking up and learning that those animal products aren’t healthy, so that demand will also be falling away–though I can’t speak for the Chinese population, of course.
You missed the point. While non gmo may rise from current levels it will have a cap. That is because for the majority of the crop it doesn’t matter if it is gmo or not. Even Europe imports gmo corn for livestock feed. That is because even there meat is not labeled. So gmo will not go away.
Europe only imports GM-feed because that’s about the only thing available.
It is more of a cost issue. If they wanted to pay the premium they could find it, but in the end they realize it isn’t worth the extra money for the exact same thing.
It’s not just a cost issue. Most of the corn and soy grown is GMO now, so it’s also a matter of availability. In the end, they come away paying high prices for a crop that is now almost obscure–that is, *if* they can find it–and yeah, that’s a major deterrent to any farmer no matter how much he might want to do better for his animals. Of course, the factory farms just don’t give a hoot what they’re feeding their animals…
If you can’t tell by my looonnnnggg absence, I don’t have much of anything left to say to you. You’re not spouting anything that hasn’t already been spouted by a hundred other biotech lackeys or wanna-bes. Quite frankly, it’s really old by now. Maybe you guys should think about putting out a revision on the troll handbook to freshen up the propaganda a little.
Factory farms don’t care about what they are feeding? How can you know so little? They still have to make a profit at the end of the day, so they want the best feed at the best price. as far as your seed, it is easy enough to find, there are a lot of companies that offer non gmo seed, it is the demand that isn’t there. Out of the couple thousand bags of seed corn I’m selling this year twelve are non gmo.
My god. Are you still here spewing biotech drivel? Ah, but why wouldn’t you be? It’s obvious you have a stake in the game.
I’m guessing you’re not very good at math. If 90% of the soy and corn crops are GM then *obviously* non-GM feed is hard to find. We’re losing a great deal of diversity in the non-GM field. It really doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. For you to sit there and argue with me about something so obvious is mind-bending.
It’s not just seed cost or availability, though, is it? Your game entails engaging people with your propaganda and then changing the subject every other time you make a comment. You drag out long-dead conversations for days and weeks. I know how it goes, though, so it’s not like I’m surprised by troll behavior. Just bored….
Non gmo feed hard to find? Not really I have several customers that raise non gmo soybeans. They make a nice profit up to $1.50 per bushell. As long as they have their weed issues under control it is a nice program. Fewer do the non gmo corn as it is just not as profitable and the yield difference is much more pronounce.
Yes, Virginia, non-GM feed is in short supply and is hard to find when compared to GM-feed. Not only that, but the non-GM crops can potentially be contaminated by the GM-crops. How hard is that to comprehend? Why are you still arguing against the obvious? Do you really have nothing better to do?
Plenty of grass hay in Virginia it is all non gmo, again you lie, why? And now you are worried about a small percentage of a crop that is “potentially” ? How paranoid can one person be?
How incredibly stupid can a person get? Lol! I was calling you Virginia, dude–not talking about the state (it was a play on words but that obviously went over your head). ROFLMAO. Why the heck are you bringing up the topic of hay? Factory farms don’t normally even feed hay; they feed mostly GM-corn and GM-soy. Hay is what pastured cows eat in the winter. Factory-farm cows only *wish* they could have hay….or if they do get some, they wish they could have more instead of feed they would *never* eat if left to their own devices (and given choices between pasture plants and corn or soy).
The cross-contamination comment belonged to the corn and soy crops also. Again, that’s evident in my comment but since you’re out of things to say, you decided to rearrange my comment into something totally twisted so that you could then deflect and redirect the conversation. Congratulations.
Im interested in hearing more. Can you start a pro GMO blog ? i think it would be a fantastic way for you to get your opinion out there, but to a larger audience.
You are right there, not many on sites like this!!!
“you government might have you shoot” before you resort to using my typos or possible grammatical errors as a red herring, so you do not have to address what I actually said, please make sure your comment is void of any of these mistakes! It doesn’t make your argument stronger like you think it does.
I did that on purpose comrade just to see how you would respond. It worked just as expected, you failed China boy.
Are you writing from a sanitorium? I’d appreciate it if you limited your messages to the other inmates.
Takes one to know one!! Which one you in? Food any good?
McDonalds misses the other reasons: McDonalds has hired illegals over Americans so the store is like being in a foreign country. Trying to order and get the correct order is next to impossible and being charged correctly and receiving right change is impossible. The language barrier has caused it to not be Fast for Fast Food. Not to mention the unkempt Drink Dispensary and condiment counter, dirty tables and restrooms. McDonalds has always been Fake Food, its the Service that has changed.