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	<title>Comments on: Lobby Group Formed to Remove Alternative Medicine, Chiropractic Courses from Universities</title>
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		<title>By: Waxing philosophical</title>
		<link>http://naturalsociety.com/lobby-group-formed-to-remove-alternative-medicine-chiropractic-courses-from-universities/#comment-96310</link>
		<dc:creator>Waxing philosophical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Reductionsts r US - the rigid, so-called EBM model is flawed. A good starting point for getting acquainted with its principles and downsides might be Steve Hickey &amp; Hilary Robert &#039;s book: &quot;Tarnished Gold: The Sickness of Evidence-based Medicine.&quot;

These links further explore the concept of evidence based medicine and how it may (not) apply to the various modalities of natural medicine - e.g. how do you control for massage treatment?

Article: Circular instead of hierarchical: methodological principles for the
evaluation of complex interventions by Wallach et al, BMC Medical Research Methodology 2006, 6:29
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2288/6/29

Article: Deconstructing the evidence-based
discourse in health sciences: truth,
power and fascism, by Holmes D. et al
Int J Evid Based Healthc 2006; 4: 180–186
http://dcscience.net/holmes-deconstruction-ebhc-06.pdf

Evidence-based medicine and naturopathy:
http://epubs.scu.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1092&amp;context=hahs_pubs&amp;sei-redir=1#search=%22copy+of+article+institutional+corruption+in+medicine+bmj%22

Article: Science for Sale....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dangerous-spin-doctors-7-_b_747325.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Reductionsts r US &#8211; the rigid, so-called EBM model is flawed. A good starting point for getting acquainted with its principles and downsides might be Steve Hickey &amp; Hilary Robert &#8216;s book: &#8220;Tarnished Gold: The Sickness of Evidence-based Medicine.&#8221;</p>
<p>These links further explore the concept of evidence based medicine and how it may (not) apply to the various modalities of natural medicine &#8211; e.g. how do you control for massage treatment?</p>
<p>Article: Circular instead of hierarchical: methodological principles for the<br />
evaluation of complex interventions by Wallach et al, BMC Medical Research Methodology 2006, 6:29<br />
<a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2288/6/29" rel="nofollow">http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2288/6/29</a></p>
<p>Article: Deconstructing the evidence-based<br />
discourse in health sciences: truth,<br />
power and fascism, by Holmes D. et al<br />
Int J Evid Based Healthc 2006; 4: 180–186<br />
<a href="http://dcscience.net/holmes-deconstruction-ebhc-06.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://dcscience.net/holmes-deconstruction-ebhc-06.pdf</a></p>
<p>Evidence-based medicine and naturopathy:<br />
<a href="http://epubs.scu.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1092&#038;context=hahs_pubs&#038;sei-redir=1#search=%22copy+of+article+institutional+corruption+in+medicine+bmj%22" rel="nofollow">http://epubs.scu.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1092&#038;context=hahs_pubs&#038;sei-redir=1#search=%22copy+of+article+institutional+corruption+in+medicine+bmj%22</a></p>
<p>Article: Science for Sale&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dangerous-spin-doctors-7-_b_747325.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dangerous-spin-doctors-7-_b_747325.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://naturalsociety.com/lobby-group-formed-to-remove-alternative-medicine-chiropractic-courses-from-universities/#comment-94799</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for supporting our petition, it is much appreciated.  Whether you believe in natural medicine (which I do) or not, you cannot believe that the best way to advance scientific knowledge is to ban study at university.  It is simply counter-intuitive and dare I say, unscientific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for supporting our petition, it is much appreciated.  Whether you believe in natural medicine (which I do) or not, you cannot believe that the best way to advance scientific knowledge is to ban study at university.  It is simply counter-intuitive and dare I say, unscientific.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man are you Naive!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man are you Naive!!</p>
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		<title>By: CD</title>
		<link>http://naturalsociety.com/lobby-group-formed-to-remove-alternative-medicine-chiropractic-courses-from-universities/#comment-94768</link>
		<dc:creator>CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched a documentary that covered a lot of these things last night on Netflix. It&#039;s called Food Matters, very informative and eye opening.&#124;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched a documentary that covered a lot of these things last night on Netflix. It&#8217;s called Food Matters, very informative and eye opening.|!</p>
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		<title>By: Waxing philosophical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waxing philosophical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 02:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legitamite - vegemite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legitamite &#8211; vegemite?</p>
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		<title>By: Waxing philosophical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waxing philosophical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 01:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waking up from the trance of social and scientific orthodox propaganda – Static cultural reality models

(Excerpted texts and concepts from  http://www.trufax.org/ )

On the mystique of perceived authority. The maintenance of the “authority mystique” depends on:

- Limiting access to information
- Limiting access to choices that challenge the position of the “authority”

Groups in power pretend absolute objectivity and, because they are emotionally and promotionally involved, develop tunnel vision. 

Science Taboos:

Many of the social control taboos in society have been inherited from science – what’s real, what’s not real, what we can talk about intelligently and what is considered superstitious or ‘pseudo-science’. 

In general, the rule is, if you can measure something, manipulate it, predict its function and then replicate it (control the outcome of experiments on it), it is considered to be scientific and real. If not, it is illusion. 

People are programmed to accept this approach because it reinforces the idea of control over the environment. This reduces knowledge down to a matter of control; we are led to believe that knowing something means being able to control it – the classic control paradigm on which our society is based.

We grant the scientific community this “authority” and are programmed not to question it, even if it flies in the face of observed (but not reproducible – i.e. “anecdotal”) evidence.

As human beings, however, this paradigm does not make us happy, either individually or globally. The blueprint for our families, schools, businesses, governments is dysfunctional. It is causing our shared social systems to operate abusively and to make us sick as a result. Happy people do not become addicted. Healthy systems do not foster addiction. Healthy systems do not promote life-destroying substances into the biggest growth industry on the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waking up from the trance of social and scientific orthodox propaganda – Static cultural reality models</p>
<p>(Excerpted texts and concepts from  <a href="http://www.trufax.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.trufax.org/</a> )</p>
<p>On the mystique of perceived authority. The maintenance of the “authority mystique” depends on:</p>
<p>- Limiting access to information<br />
- Limiting access to choices that challenge the position of the “authority”</p>
<p>Groups in power pretend absolute objectivity and, because they are emotionally and promotionally involved, develop tunnel vision. </p>
<p>Science Taboos:</p>
<p>Many of the social control taboos in society have been inherited from science – what’s real, what’s not real, what we can talk about intelligently and what is considered superstitious or ‘pseudo-science’. </p>
<p>In general, the rule is, if you can measure something, manipulate it, predict its function and then replicate it (control the outcome of experiments on it), it is considered to be scientific and real. If not, it is illusion. </p>
<p>People are programmed to accept this approach because it reinforces the idea of control over the environment. This reduces knowledge down to a matter of control; we are led to believe that knowing something means being able to control it – the classic control paradigm on which our society is based.</p>
<p>We grant the scientific community this “authority” and are programmed not to question it, even if it flies in the face of observed (but not reproducible – i.e. “anecdotal”) evidence.</p>
<p>As human beings, however, this paradigm does not make us happy, either individually or globally. The blueprint for our families, schools, businesses, governments is dysfunctional. It is causing our shared social systems to operate abusively and to make us sick as a result. Happy people do not become addicted. Healthy systems do not foster addiction. Healthy systems do not promote life-destroying substances into the biggest growth industry on the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://naturalsociety.com/lobby-group-formed-to-remove-alternative-medicine-chiropractic-courses-from-universities/#comment-94729</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robert,

As a university trained naturopath on the threshold of beginning a law degree here in Australia, I am very looking forward to exploring indepth the issues you raise in your reply.  You might like to check this link out http://corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert,</p>
<p>As a university trained naturopath on the threshold of beginning a law degree here in Australia, I am very looking forward to exploring indepth the issues you raise in your reply.  You might like to check this link out <a href="http://corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html" rel="nofollow">http://corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They want no competition! Money and control is the objective. Most medical procedures are not tested nor scientific, and few improve the quality of life for patients (except removing a kidney stone, a burst appendix, broken bone, etc.). But Allopathic medicine offers designer drugs (profit based) as the treatment of choice! They hide behind the idea of &#039;scientific based evidence&#039; to push their profit agenda of designer killer drugs, designer radiation therapy, etc. Fear is the number one reason why a patient consult with a doctor, and allopathic medicine are experts on the use of fear to promote their forms of treatment. To stay healthy you have to get informed and take responsibility of  your own health. Don&#039;t delegate the responsibility of your own health to someone just because he/she graduated from a prestigious university! You should know by now why these universities are prestigious!!
&quot;The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people . . . white collar, blue collar it doesnt matter what color shirt you have on.&quot; George Carlin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwynM8m47mE&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They want no competition! Money and control is the objective. Most medical procedures are not tested nor scientific, and few improve the quality of life for patients (except removing a kidney stone, a burst appendix, broken bone, etc.). But Allopathic medicine offers designer drugs (profit based) as the treatment of choice! They hide behind the idea of &#8216;scientific based evidence&#8217; to push their profit agenda of designer killer drugs, designer radiation therapy, etc. Fear is the number one reason why a patient consult with a doctor, and allopathic medicine are experts on the use of fear to promote their forms of treatment. To stay healthy you have to get informed and take responsibility of  your own health. Don&#8217;t delegate the responsibility of your own health to someone just because he/she graduated from a prestigious university! You should know by now why these universities are prestigious!!<br />
&#8220;The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people . . . white collar, blue collar it doesnt matter what color shirt you have on.&#8221; George Carlin: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwynM8m47mE&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwynM8m47mE&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: amicus curiae</title>
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		<dc:creator>amicus curiae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we have a few vocal anti choice media players helping push the no choice but pharma line here.
our ABC radio(govt) is right behind and in it.
Skeptical vegan..Bowen therapies combine methodology, ie iridology to help diagnose and a blend of chiro,reiki  etc etc type depending on what ails you, its a seamless ransition and it works.
unlike big med. the alternatives dont tend to kill you.
if it doesnt work normally no harm is done and you live to try another means. unlike mainstream.
its about choice and freedom TO choose.
this is another codex and  regulatory takeover, forced vaccines are next on their dirty agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we have a few vocal anti choice media players helping push the no choice but pharma line here.<br />
our ABC radio(govt) is right behind and in it.<br />
Skeptical vegan..Bowen therapies combine methodology, ie iridology to help diagnose and a blend of chiro,reiki  etc etc type depending on what ails you, its a seamless ransition and it works.<br />
unlike big med. the alternatives dont tend to kill you.<br />
if it doesnt work normally no harm is done and you live to try another means. unlike mainstream.<br />
its about choice and freedom TO choose.<br />
this is another codex and  regulatory takeover, forced vaccines are next on their dirty agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: TROLL SLAYER</title>
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		<dc:creator>TROLL SLAYER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the big pharma monopoly is the biggest peddler of quackery and the 2nd leading cause of death in this country....rigged  medical studies with bought and paid regulators have turned the american people into fleeced poison victims</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the big pharma monopoly is the biggest peddler of quackery and the 2nd leading cause of death in this country&#8230;.rigged  medical studies with bought and paid regulators have turned the american people into fleeced poison victims</p>
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